Kenny Hates Prospects Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 QUOTE (soxfan3530 @ Dec 4, 2009 -> 09:37 AM) has alexei fallen so out of favor on this board that people would consider giving up danks/floyd and the missle for the likes of Dan Uggla???? I hope not. Dan Uggla is no prime Robbie Alomar or anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFirebird Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 No thank you. As everyone has already stated...he is not even worth Alexei straight up. Again...no thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 4, 2009 Author Share Posted December 4, 2009 QUOTE (soxfan3530 @ Dec 4, 2009 -> 09:37 AM) has alexei fallen so out of favor on this board that people would consider giving up danks/floyd and the missle for the likes of Dan Uggla???? That was not an AND, it was Alexei + Jordan Danks/Flowers or Floyd/John Danks straight up. And I cant believe people here think Alexei is better than Uggla. I can see Alexei plus Danks/Flowers being too much, but Uggla is a better player than just Alexei. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pants Rowland Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Again. why do we want to tax our biggest strength (pitching) by adding more weak defenders? No matter how bad the offense looked last year, it was the awful defense I saw that cost the Sox any shot at the division. Pitching and defense, pitching and defense. Why don't people understand that? One of the best lineups I have seen was the Indians of the mid to late 90s and they actually had decent defense and serviceable pitching but it still was not enough to win a title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Dec 4, 2009 -> 11:33 AM) That was not an AND, it was Alexei + Jordan Danks/Flowers or Floyd/John Danks straight up. And I cant believe people here think Alexei is better than Uggla. I can see Alexei plus Danks/Flowers being too much, but Uggla is a better player than just Alexei. I disagree. He may hit for more power, but thats about it. Alexei is a better defensive player, has better speed, hits for more contact and has more tools and ability to play around the order and the diamond. Uggla has a concrete glove, K's a ton and can only play one position badly. Uggla may end up striking out 3 times more than Alexei. He's no slouch and still appears to be improving, but Alexei is just a better baseball player IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 4, 2009 -> 12:14 PM) I disagree. He may hit for more power, but thats about it. Alexei is a better defensive player, has better speed, hits for more contact and has more tools and ability to play around the order and the diamond. Uggla has a concrete glove, K's a ton and can only play one position badly. Uggla may end up striking out 3 times more than Alexei. He's no slouch and still appears to be improving, but Alexei is just a better baseball player IMO. It's simpler than all that. There's an $18M difference between the two through 2011 and there's really no argument anyone can make to prove that Uggla is $9M per season more valuable than Alexei. The Marlins are going to have a ton of trouble trading him, his value is absolute s*** right now due to arbitration pay raises. What team is going to pay him $11M in 2011? Right now there's a better than even chance that he's non tendered after 2010. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 4, 2009 -> 12:26 PM) It's simpler than all that. There's an $18M difference between the two through 2011 and there's really no argument anyone can make to prove that Uggla is $9M per season more valuable than Alexei. The Marlins are going to have a ton of trouble trading him, his value is absolute s*** right now due to arbitration pay raises. What team is going to pay him $11M in 2011? Right now there's a better than even chance that he's non tendered after 2010. You and your sensible money argument can go to hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Dec 4, 2009 -> 12:33 PM) That was not an AND, it was Alexei + Jordan Danks/Flowers or Floyd/John Danks straight up. And I cant believe people here think Alexei is better than Uggla. I can see Alexei plus Danks/Flowers being too much, but Uggla is a better player than just Alexei. Whatever it is that you smoke, let us in on the secret. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 If we can get him a package with Renyels Perez and Cody Ross for Floyd/Danks then im game....im prob gonna get bashed for sayin that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilmot825 Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 If anything Uggla could DH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 4, 2009 Author Share Posted December 4, 2009 I'll agree to disagree (about Alexei>>Uggla). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Dec 4, 2009 -> 03:29 PM) I'll agree to disagree (about Alexei>>Uggla). So you truly believe Dan Uggla is $18M better than Alexei Ramirez (and his 2 arb eligible seasons in '12-'13)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Dec 4, 2009 -> 03:29 PM) I'll agree to disagree (about Alexei>>Uggla). please elaborate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 4, 2009 Author Share Posted December 4, 2009 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 4, 2009 -> 04:12 PM) So you truly believe Dan Uggla is $18M better than Alexei Ramirez (and his 2 arb eligible seasons in '12-'13)? I would not do the deal either because Alexei happens to be one of my fav players and Uggla costs more money, but in talent alone, I think Uggla is the better player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Dec 4, 2009 -> 04:23 PM) I would not do the deal either because Alexei happens to be one of my fav players and Uggla costs more money, but in talent alone, I think Uggla is the better player. That was never the argument. You offered up a proposed trade of Alexei + Flowers/Danks for Uggla and since acquisitions are not made in a vacuum, Uggla's incredible price tag is coming along with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Dec 4, 2009 -> 04:23 PM) I would not do the deal either because Alexei happens to be one of my fav players and Uggla costs more money, but in talent alone, I think Uggla is the better player. He hits more HR's. Great. Alexei is better at every other facet of baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 4, 2009 -> 04:26 PM) He hits more HR's. Great. Alexei is better at every other facet of baseball. He can take a walk as well (improved in BB/KK rate every year) I just don't like comparing a guy who plays 2B and a guy who plays SS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan3530 Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Something tell me Alexei has a big year in 2010. No real evidence to back it up. Just kind of a gut feeling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattZakrowski Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (soxfan3530 @ Dec 4, 2009 -> 05:30 PM) Something tell me Alexei has a big year in 2010. No real evidence to back it up. Just kind of a gut feeling. I feel that the step forward he made with his walk rate will pay off more next season. Edited December 4, 2009 by MattZakrowski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 5, 2009 Author Share Posted December 5, 2009 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 4, 2009 -> 04:26 PM) That was never the argument. You offered up a proposed trade of Alexei + Flowers/Danks for Uggla and since acquisitions are not made in a vacuum, Uggla's incredible price tag is coming along with him. I am saying I too would not make that trade. But I am responding to the person who said they would not trade Alexei straight up for Uggla, and I think that's a stretch. I was not throwing out those trade proposals as something I would offer, but rather what I think they would want or ask for, and who you guys think we should offer instead. The only thing I was proposing was to say Kenny might want to see if he can try and get Uggla, players involved not withstanding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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