Chisoxfn Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 I'll say this, a DH of Kotsay/Jones would be an epic disaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 QUOTE (SoxAce @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 04:32 PM) I wasn't feelin Juan Pierre as much as you are either Kalapse. You aren't feelin' him in the right places then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 04:33 PM) I'll say this, a DH of Kotsay/Jones would be an epic disaster. Â You're certainly banking a lot on two aging veterans, that's for sure. However, the possibility of them producing isn't out of the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 04:33 PM) You aren't feelin' him in the right places then. Â Â I don't think I want to.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 05:33 PM) I'll say this, a DH of Kotsay/Jones would be an epic disaster. Unless the Andruw Jones of 2005 suddenly reappears, I think it's going to be hard to find anyone who disagrees with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 QUOTE (chw42 @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 10:35 PM) You're certainly banking a lot on two aging veterans, that's for sure. However, the possibility of them producing isn't out of the question. Â What's Kotsay going to produce? Even if he overachieves, you're looking at probably .275 and 15 homers. Not exactly a lot of thump from your DH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jphat007 Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Hey, at least we have Alex Rios in CF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 QUOTE (jphat007 @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 10:37 PM) Hey, at least we have Alex Rios in CF. Â At this point, I'd rather have your boy Nix at DH than a combo of Kotsay/Jones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 I wish certain people would stop pretending that Kenny has the payroll and farm system of Boston when attempting to make his acquisitions during the offseason... Â No matter how much we want to wish and wish and wish, the man still has to operate in reality. No amount of insulting him or complaining is going to change that. Â I, for one, think he is putting together a pretty good band of merry men. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jphat007 Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 05:39 PM) At this point, I'd rather have your boy Nix at DH than a combo of Kotsay/Jones. Â All of the above would be apart of the worst offense in the AL. Hell, even if we get a decent DH we could be one of the worst offenses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 05:36 PM) What's Kotsay going to produce? Even if he overachieves, you're looking at probably .275 and 15 homers. Not exactly a lot of thump from your DH. They'll sign Thome before they go with Kotsay at DH. Â Jesus Christ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monomach Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Hey, at least we have Alex Rios in CF. This I can live with. At least he'll probably put up an .800 OPS. I'd like him better in right field where he looks like an all-world fielder, but center is ok, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 QUOTE (jphat007 @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 04:41 PM) All of the above would be apart of the worst offense in the AL. Hell, even if we get a decent DH we could be one of the worst offenses. I agree. Swiss cheese lineup. It's going to be a frustrating year offensively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 11:41 PM) They'll sign Thome before they go with Kotsay at DH. Jesus Christ.  We're just reacting to what Ozzie's saying. I don't think what he's saying is accurate, as KW isn't that dumb. But when you start getting people rationalizing that Kotsay/Jones could work as a DH tandem, that's when comments need to be made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 04:36 PM) What's Kotsay going to produce? Even if he overachieves, you're looking at probably .275 and 15 homers. Not exactly a lot of thump from your DH. Kotsay hasn't put up a wOBA north of .321 since 2004 and just as a frame of reference: AJ put up a .326 last season, Rowand a .323 and Mark Teahen a .323 so that's about what you're getting with a .325 and Kotsay couldn't even muster that level of production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 05:47 PM) We're just reacting to what Ozzie's saying. I don't think what he's saying is accurate, as KW isn't that dumb. But when you start getting people rationalizing that Kotsay/Jones could work as a DH tandem, that's when comments need to be made. I have no problem with Jones being part of a platoon in both the OF and at DH. But I was thinking more of something along the lines of a Jones/Thome/Flowers platoon than Jones/Kotsay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Switch over to re-runs of King of Queens on WCIU while 4 through 1 hit (everyone but Beckham/Quentin)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 04:41 PM) They'll sign Thome before they go with Kotsay at DH. Jesus Christ. Kenny's the one that's floating the idea of a rotating DH which is sure to be Kotsay and Jones heavy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 05:48 PM) Kotsay hasn't put up a wOBA north of .321 since 2004 and just as a frame of reference: AJ put up a .326 last season, Rowand a .323 and Mark Teahen a .323 so that's about what you're getting with a .325 and Kotsay couldn't even muster that level of production. I don't think Kotsay is any answer, but he's also been coming off the bench and/or been struggling with injuries. And granted, that will be his role here, but I don't think it's fair to look at his production as if it's production that has been a result of everyday at bats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 05:49 PM) Kenny's the one that's floating the idea of a rotating DH which is sure to be Kotsay and Jones heavy. Even if that were to happen, would you rather go out and sign Vlad or Matsui and not have the flexibility we have now with Jones/Pierre/Vizquel and Putz? Because signing one of the few players available would have meant none of these other moves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 04:50 PM) I don't think Kotsay is any answer, but he's also been coming off the bench and/or been struggling with injuries. And granted, that will be his role here, but I don't think it's fair to look at his production as if it's production that has been a result of everyday at bats. That kind of makes my point. Â I also refuse to use injuries as an excuse for poor production. Â And besides; he's gotten 430+ PA in 3 of the last 5 seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 04:52 PM) Even if that were to happen, would you rather go out and sign Vlad or Matsui and not have the flexibility we have now with Jones/Pierre/Vizquel and Putz? Because signing one of the few players available would have meant none of these other moves. How about not wasting $8M on Pierre and instead finding someone off the scrapheap that can put up a ~.330 OBP for the minimum and play a little CF, they're out there. I'll gladly take a DH that can put up a decent OPS if it means no Kotsay or Andruw Jones, this is the AL you don't use your bench all that often and neither player has much flexibility anyway. I don't really give a s*** about either. And if Vizquel is going to be getting 250+ PA including time at DH I'm disappointed they signed him as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 04:53 PM) That kind of makes my point. I also refuse to use injuries as an excuse for poor production.  And besides; he's gotten 430+ PA in 3 of the last 5 seasons.  Then compare him to other bench players, not regulars.   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 10:52 PM) Even if that were to happen, would you rather go out and sign Vlad or Matsui and not have the flexibility we have now with Jones/Pierre/Vizquel and Putz? Because signing one of the few players available would have meant none of these other moves. Â Matsui got 3.5 millioin, so you're basically talking not having Jones/Pierre/Omar. I would have much rather the Sox had Matsui and Putz. I don't even dislike Pierre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 04:49 PM) Kenny's the one that's floating the idea of a rotating DH which is sure to be Kotsay and Jones heavy. Â Because Kenny is always up front and honest about who and what is going after... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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