June 9, 201015 yr QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 8, 2010 -> 03:13 PM) On average, it was a full run, or close to 0.9 runs, something like that. After searching a bit more, it seems like it depends a lot on who does the analysis. Here's the NYT quoting 0.9 runs, , here's hardballtimes quoting 0.41 runs. I would agree with HBT more...they're more sabermetrically oriented. Edited June 9, 201015 yr by chw42
June 9, 201015 yr QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jun 8, 2010 -> 03:31 PM) It looks like the former one took only the 57 starters that had at least 20 starts (ie the relatively competent) while the latter used everyone (414 for his purposes). I would imagine that if you truly and completely suck, the difference in leagues doesn't affect your results a whole lot (just a theory though). The latter also used multi-year statistics, which probably eliminates some of the variation. A 57 person sample size is a bit small.
June 9, 201015 yr QUOTE (chw42 @ Jun 8, 2010 -> 10:03 PM) A 57 person sample size is a bit small. Then again, there's not that many people moving leagues every year who you can really count.
June 9, 201015 yr QUOTE (Brian @ Jun 8, 2010 -> 09:24 PM) Wasn't Castro just batting .330 or something? He's now hitting .272.
June 9, 201015 yr QUOTE (chw42 @ Jun 8, 2010 -> 09:28 PM) He's now hitting .272. I saw that. He must be in a major slump or something.
June 9, 201015 yr The Cubs to the Brewers as to: The Pirates to the Cubs The Indians to the White Sox
June 9, 201015 yr QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 8, 2010 -> 09:43 PM) McGehee! That was part of my plan. Jinx it to Castro contributes so the Brewers would break their hearts.
June 9, 201015 yr QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 9, 2010 -> 02:44 AM) What a year he's having. I love his approach at the plate. Him and Hart have some great productivity this season.
June 9, 201015 yr QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 8, 2010 -> 09:50 PM) I love his approach at the plate. Him and Hart have some great productivity this season. If only they could produce pitchers.
June 9, 201015 yr QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 8, 2010 -> 10:54 PM) If only they could produce pitchers. Gallardo?
June 9, 201015 yr QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 8, 2010 -> 09:58 PM) Gallardo? That's one. Nowhere near the success they've had with hitters.
June 9, 201015 yr QUOTE (chw42 @ Jun 8, 2010 -> 02:57 PM) So a mediocre AL pitcher (4.50 ERA) can become a #1 or #2 in the NL (3.50 ERA)? I think a half run is a better estimation. Ted Lilly called and said yes it can happen.
June 9, 201015 yr QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jun 8, 2010 -> 03:31 PM) It looks like the former one took only the 57 starters that had at least 20 starts (ie the relatively competent) while the latter used everyone (414 for his purposes). I would imagine that if you truly and completely suck, the difference in leagues doesn't affect your results a whole lot (just a theory though). The latter also used multi-year statistics, which probably eliminates some of the variation. Silva disagrees with this theory.
June 9, 201015 yr I think it is tough to truly rate Silva. He has had success in the AL before, and he got paid, then got fat and happy. He absolutely sucked in a Mariners uniform, but the guy was in a revolving buffet line the entire time he was there. He looks like he took the offseason seriously this year and showed up to Cubs camp in shape, and he looks like a totally different pitcher now.
June 9, 201015 yr QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 9, 2010 -> 11:44 AM) I think it is tough to truly rate Silva. He has had success in the AL before, and he got paid, then got fat and happy. He absolutely sucked in a Mariners uniform, but the guy was in a revolving buffet line the entire time he was there. He looks like he took the offseason seriously this year and showed up to Cubs camp in shape, and he looks like a totally different pitcher now. In his 4 seasons in Minnesota, he had one awful year, but his other 3 seasons had ERAs of 4.21, 3.44, & 4.19. That averages to just under 4, subtract one run due to the league switch and it puts him where he is now. I don't see him finishing under 3, but I think the combo of the switch to the NL along with him actually giving a f*** again, makes his comeback somewhat real.
June 9, 201015 yr QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 8, 2010 -> 10:24 PM) That's one. Nowhere near the success they've had with hitters. And they won't with Maddux gone for Texas.
June 10, 201015 yr Cards can't seem to beat any of the good teams in the NL. Swept by the Dodgers. They desperately need another starting pitcher and might need another 2B.
June 10, 201015 yr QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 9, 2010 -> 11:59 PM) Cards can't seem to beat any of the good teams in the NL. Swept by the Dodgers. They desperately need another starting pitcher and might need another 2B. Buehrle and Lillibridge.
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