greg775 Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Any momentum to get the bill killed of late? I did read Trump said he wouldn't be that bummed if it doesn't pass. How can the politicians do this to the people. We need to stall this out for 3 years and wait for Bernie to take over (if he stays healthy it's Bernie time in 2020 baby) and get the socialism thing going (in some areas like healthcare). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinilaw08 Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 28, 2017 -> 11:20 AM) Now this I can get behind. What happens when one Speaker of the House [Enter Paul Ryan] And another speaker of the House [Enter Nancy Pelosi].... *Cues up the Odd Couple theme music* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 28, 2017 -> 12:51 PM) Any momentum to get the bill killed of late? I did read Trump said he wouldn't be that bummed if it doesn't pass. How can the politicians do this to the people. We need to stall this out for 3 years and wait for Bernie to take over (if he stays healthy it's Bernie time in 2020 baby) and get the socialism thing going (in some areas like healthcare). They are only interested in keeping their jobs Greg, thats all that matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Trump promises great, great surprise on health care. He really does think he is on a TV show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 28, 2017 -> 02:06 PM) Trump promises great, great surprise on health care. He really does think he is on a TV show. Cliffhanger for the fall premiere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 28, 2017 -> 02:06 PM) Trump promises great, great surprise on health care. He really does think he is on a TV show. Surprise! You no longer have health insurance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Senate GOP Health Bill Would Raise Out-of-Pocket Costs in Every State Senate Republicans are having a tough time agreeing on a plan to replace the Affordable Care Act. For some senators, there's at least one big red flag in the proposed bill: Out-of-pocket costs for most people would skyrocket. The bill's subsidies are less generous than Obamacare’s, so even though the average premium is expected to fall beginning in 2020 under the plan, most people would have to pay more to maintain the same level of coverage. Out-of-pocket premiums for people on mid-level plans would be 74 percent higher on average, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation. In several states represented by a Republican senator, including Alaska, West Virginia and Louisiana, the average premium after tax credits for a mid-level plan would more than double. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 In Michigan, Medicaid expansion helped low income workers get back to work https://twitter.com/umichmedicine/status/880120366957568003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 28, 2017 -> 01:20 PM) Now this I can get behind. What happens when one Speaker of the House [Enter Paul Ryan] And another speaker of the House [Enter Nancy Pelosi].... Just kidding! Mike Pence vetoes this room pairing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 It's too bad that a policy with 12-17% popular support has a pretty good chance of becoming law while a policy with 60% popular support has none because leadership in both parties reject it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 29, 2017 -> 08:41 AM) It's too bad that a policy with 12-17% popular support has a pretty good chance of becoming law while a policy with 60% popular support has none because leadership in both parties reject it. I think it's going to be very difficult for leadership in the Democratic party to keep on not supporting this. Especially if this bill passes in the next week or so. One glimmer of hope is that I see more and more people talking about single payer all the time. I don't think it's some taboo "socialist" evil Soviet policy thing anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 (edited) So something I realized this morning while talking to someone is that I don't know what the functional difference between a "Medicaid for all" and a "Medicare for all" system would be. edit: what brought it up was that Nevada's governor vetoed that state's Medicaid buy-in option. Edited June 29, 2017 by StrangeSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 Collins Heller Moran Capito Portman Murkowski Hoeven Todd Young Boozman Grassley (shocking) Tillis Paul Cruz Ron Johnson Lee Gardner Cassidy All no's, no's after the fact or part of the "moderate working group" shut out of the process by McConnell. Cassidy (an actual doctor) and Collins have been working on their own more centrist plan for months now. Portman seems to be the biggest villain to the Trumpers, along with Heller...but he's politically untouchable in Ohio, just like Kasich.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 Even the middle class would feel GOP squeeze on nursing home care http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/29/news/econo...omes/index.html A combination of longer life spans and spiraling health care costs has left an estimated 64% of the Americans in nursing homes dependent on Medicaid. In Alaska, Mississippi and West Virginia, Medicaid was the primary payer for three-quarters or more of nursing home residents in 2015, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation. (KHN is an editorially independent project of the foundation.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 29, 2017 -> 10:14 AM) Collins Heller Moran Capito Portman Murkowski Hoeven Todd Young Boozman Grassley (shocking) Tillis Paul Cruz Ron Johnson Lee Gardner Cassidy All no's, no's after the fact or part of the "moderate working group" shut out of the process by McConnell. Cassidy (an actual doctor) and Collins have been working on their own more centrist plan for months now. Portman seems to be the biggest villain to the Trumpers, along with Heller...but he's politically untouchable in Ohio, just like Kasich.. Cassidy and Collins are working on a "Centrist bill". Is it called the ACA/Obamacare? Cause that's what we have now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 Yeah, Obamacare is extremely centrist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Jun 29, 2017 -> 10:11 AM) Cassidy and Collins are working on a "Centrist bill". Is it called the ACA/Obamacare? Cause that's what we have now. Center of the GDP, wherever that is now... http://www.pressherald.com/2017/05/19/as-s...s-it-will-fail/ Sen. Collins predicts Senate Republicans’ health care plan will be too partisan to succeed While a 13-man committee is drafting a bill, Collins says she is continuing to work with others on a centrist proposal. http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/31567...eping-obamacare GOP senators: Give states the option of keeping ObamaCare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 CBO out with additional analysis scoring the bill from 2027-2036. Medicaid spending under GOP bill = 26 % lower in 2026 than it would be under extended baseline, gap would widen to about 35 % in 2036 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 Who cares, survival of the fittest/Social Darwinism. We need to cull the herd, and where better to start than with the lazy poor people who've grown reliant on government handouts and are just a drain on resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 The ACA is just toast. We elected a complete maniac who's sole purpose is to destroy Obama's legacy. Now, when the Senate deal falls, he's simply going to repeal the ACA. I give up. The American people don't matter at all. By the way, even us lucky souls on cushy corporate healthcare will be f***ed in repeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 At least show me the lowered taxes.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 If AHCA doesn't pass and he just repeals Obamacare, what is the healthcare system we'll have? Anarchy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 QUOTE (Brian @ Jun 30, 2017 -> 08:31 AM) If AHCA doesn't pass and he just repeals Obamacare, what is the healthcare system we'll have? Anarchy? Dead Americans Healthnoncare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 30, 2017 -> 08:35 AM) Dead Americans Healthnoncare and Mitch McConnell smiling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 30, 2017 -> 08:41 AM) and Mitch McConnell smiling He already got his government paid healthcare when he was a kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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