June 9, 201114 yr QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 08:24 PM) Omar has 86 AB this year and 391 last year. Keep those numbers in perspective. I do realize the at bat discrepancy, but I would counter to say if he played as much as Beckham he would hit about .150. He'd run out of gas.
June 9, 201114 yr QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 03:28 PM) I do realize the at bat discrepancy, but I would counter to say if he played as much as Beckham he would hit about .150. He'd run out of gas. Beckham had 444 at bats last year. Vizquel had 344. If Vizquel went 0 for that additional 100 at bats last year, he'd still have hit .213.
June 9, 201114 yr Author QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 02:28 PM) I do realize the at bat discrepancy, but I would counter to say if he played as much as Beckham he would hit about .150. He'd run out of gas. Except that over the last two years the more Omar has played the better his numbers have been, not worse.
June 9, 201114 yr QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 08:31 PM) Except that over the last two years the more Omar has played the better his numbers have been, not worse. If you guys think Omar is the greatest, fine. I still say he's a black hole in the lineup. Black hole might be too strong a word, but any team starting Omar Vizquel regularly is a team in a world of hurt.
June 9, 201114 yr QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 03:33 PM) If you guys think Omar is the greatest, fine. I still say he's a black hole in the lineup. Black hole might be too strong a word, but any team starting Omar Vizquel regularly is a team in a world of hurt. No one is saying he is the greatest, can you please try to keep things in perspective and not always go to extremes and absolutes.
June 9, 201114 yr QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 02:22 PM) Oh please. Gordon has some pop in his bat and is a threat at the plate. Omar has 7 RBI this year, 30 last year, hits .275-280 which is fabulous for a guy that old. But you don't think he's a black hole? He strikes fear in any pitcher alive?? Omar's slugging % is two points higher than Beckham's this year. Do you think Beckham strikes fear in any pitcher? I know he's young with tons of potential and Omar is on his last legs, but Omar is still a contributing professional hitter (see 2-run triple off of Felix), while Beckham still lacks the consistency to be considered a legitimate threat everytime he steps to the plate. I'm not saying I'd rather have Vizquel play, but to consider Beckham a real hitter, while Vizquel a black hole is a bit out there IMO.
June 9, 201114 yr QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 03:33 PM) If you guys think Omar is the greatest, fine. I still say he's a black hole in the lineup. Black hole might be too strong a word, but any team starting Omar Vizquel regularly is a team in a world of hurt. You're at least partially right, Vizquel actually did seem gassed towards the end of May when Ozzie had spent the better part of the month benching Morel for him. But yeah, as others have noted, have some perspective. "It's not a good idea to play him every day" is not equal to "it's a terrible thing for him to play 3 days a week".
June 9, 201114 yr Author QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 02:35 PM) No one is saying he is the greatest, can you please try to keep things in perspective and not always go to extremes and absolutes. ^ Its like talking to a menstrual teenage girl.
June 9, 201114 yr I got in this trouble here by saying that lineup isn't so hot cause of the black hole in the lineup and I included Omar and not Beckham. I like Omar but I still think he's close to my description. I'm not trying to bag on Omar. I'm just responding to that one post about the lineup and now I'm an Omar hater getting flamed for that. It's not like I started a thread saying, 'Dump Omar; Beckham is a god' Edited June 9, 201114 yr by greg775
June 9, 201114 yr QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 02:48 PM) I got in this trouble here by saying that lineup isn't so hot cause of the black hole in the lineup and I included Omar and not Beckham. I like Omar but I still think he's close to my description. I'm not trying to bag on Omar. I'm just responding to that one post about the lineup and now I'm an Omar hater getting flamed for that. It's not like I started a thread saying, 'Dump Omar; Beckham is a god' I think you take people arguing your weird points the wrong way. It's a message board. People aren't flaming you and they aren't pissed. You are the king of extremes. If people ride Pierre, you ask why they don't ride Adam Dunn and Alex Rios despite some of the lengthiest non-trade rumor threads in Pale Hose Talk being dedicated to those very subjects. Take a chill pill and try to enjoy yourself.
June 9, 201114 yr According to the MLB Network crawl, White Sox outfielder Magglio Ordonez has asked the team for more time with AAA Charlotte.
June 9, 201114 yr QUOTE (JPN366 @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 03:52 PM) According to the MLB Network crawl, White Sox outfielder Magglio Ordonez has asked the team for more time with AAA Charlotte. What?
June 9, 201114 yr QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 04:03 PM) What? It's what they call a typo, a major typo.
June 9, 201114 yr QUOTE (JPN366 @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 04:05 PM) It's what they call a typo, a major typo. So they meant to say Detroit Tigers OF Magglio Ordonez asked to stay in AAA Toledo for more time? Wow, that's a big f*** up.
June 9, 201114 yr QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 04:07 PM) So they meant to say Detroit Tigers OF Magglio Ordonez asked to stay in AAA Toledo for more time? Wow, that's a big f*** up. Yep.
June 10, 201114 yr Author QUOTE (JPN366 @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 03:52 PM) According to the MLB Network crawl, White Sox outfielder Magglio Ordonez has asked the team for more time with AAA Charlotte. Nicely done
June 10, 201114 yr SI prints an article about how the cutter has helped pitchers confuse hitters over the last few years. Zero mention of Mark Buehrle at all. Edited June 10, 201114 yr by RockRaines
June 10, 201114 yr Does anyone know where the Sox stay when they play Arizona? My brother and I will be attending that series, and were wondering. Thanks in advance.
June 10, 201114 yr QUOTE (Iwritecode @ Jun 10, 2011 -> 12:27 PM) Konerko's 16,000 sq ft house obviously. nicely done!
June 10, 201114 yr QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jun 10, 2011 -> 11:08 AM) SI prints an article about how the cutter has helped pitchers confuse hitters over the last few years. Zero mention of Mark Buehrle at all. 8 consecutive quality starts for 56.
June 10, 201114 yr Author QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jun 10, 2011 -> 12:08 PM) SI prints an article about how the cutter has helped pitchers confuse hitters over the last few years. Zero mention of Mark Buehrle at all. Or more accurately, Don Cooper.
June 10, 201114 yr FanGraphs did a study on the biggest rivalry in baseball based on Google results (flawed, but something). http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/w...es-in-baseball/ Apparently, White Sox-Tigers is the 7th best rivalry in baseball, followed by Sox-Cubs and Sox-Twins. You'd think it's the other way around.
June 11, 201114 yr Nick Evans? He was DFA'd by the Mets. Stash him away at AAA? I think he's only 25.
June 11, 201114 yr QUOTE (chw42 @ Jun 10, 2011 -> 02:34 PM) FanGraphs did a study on the biggest rivalry in baseball based on Google results (flawed, but something). http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/w...es-in-baseball/ Apparently, White Sox-Tigers is the 7th best rivalry in baseball, followed by Sox-Cubs and Sox-Twins. You'd think it's the other way around. That was a really poorly done article.
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