Steve9347 Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 QUOTE (oldsox @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 11:21 AM) WTF? Rangers manager Ron Washington - coke lover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 So... why not pinch hit for Pierre with two on and two outs in the 9th...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 QUOTE (knightni @ Jun 21, 2011 -> 01:05 AM) So... why not pinch hit for Pierre with two on and two outs in the 9th...? Â At this point, I'm more inclined to question a PROPER managerial decision. Whoever made that call in the 9th tonight was wrong, but it's what I expect at this point since the wrong decision is what is made the majority of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Sooo, uhhhhhh.....where is Jerry Owens? Atleast he brings...athleticism? Â The fact that Viciedo is not on the major league team shows a direct correspondence to the incompetency of the manager in managing a team, which shows a direct correspondence to the incompetency of the GM in not either firing the manager or having his orders be followed, and/or a correspondence to the managing partner having a total incompetency as to what the f*** is going on with his GM and manager. Â I think there's a bit of all 3 going on. Â I think "bit" is the wrong term. Â Â I think there's A LOT of all 3 going on here. Â You can add, at this point, probably 2 wins by DFAing Juan Pierre and adding Viciedo. If he's Carlos Lee in left field, then that's an improvement. Something needs to be done, and until it is, this team is going to continue to mire in mediocrity. Having the worst hitter in the entire major leagues continue to get the most plate appearances of anybody on your roster is like trying to build a car out of banana peels and plastic, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 21, 2011 -> 06:22 AM) Sooo, uhhhhhh.....where is Jerry Owens? Atleast he brings...athleticism? The fact that Viciedo is not on the major league team shows a direct correspondence to the incompetency of the manager in managing a team, which shows a direct correspondence to the incompetency of the GM in not either firing the manager or having his orders be followed, and/or a correspondence to the managing partner having a total incompetency as to what the f*** is going on with his GM and manager.  I think there's a bit of all 3 going on.  I think "bit" is the wrong term.   I think there's A LOT of all 3 going on here.  You can add, at this point, probably 2 wins by DFAing Juan Pierre and adding Viciedo. If he's Carlos Lee in left field, then that's an improvement. Something needs to be done, and until it is, this team is going to continue to mire in mediocrity. Having the worst hitter in the entire major leagues continue to get the most plate appearances of anybody on your roster is like trying to build a car out of banana peels and plastic,   Don't forget the duct tape, MacGuyver.  In all seriousness, you could make a serious case that we'd be better off with either Brian Anderson (defensively) or DeWayne Wise (for some pop and the same amount of speed on the basepaths, maybe 5-7 fewer steals but less caught stealings and a better arm) in LF, three years after their White Sox shelf lives expired.  It's almost maddening. One year it's the Thome/Kotsay thing. This year, there's another insane personnel decision that's clouding the entire season. Actually, two. Because the combination of Thornton (when he wasn't suited or prepared to be closer) and Pierre defensively led directly to that 4-18 streak and season-long purgatory, seemingly.  I suppose someone will argue that the only reason we're still in this thing is Santos and Humber, and give credit to KW. Which will then lead back to the retort, what about Peavy/Beckham/Dunn/Rios/Pierre/Teahen/Linebrink/AJ? Edited June 21, 2011 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 21, 2011 Author Share Posted June 21, 2011 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 21, 2011 -> 08:06 AM) Don't forget the duct tape, MacGuyver. In all seriousness, you could make a serious case that we'd be better off with either Brian Anderson (defensively) or DeWayne Wise (for some pop and the same amount of speed on the basepaths, maybe 5-7 fewer steals but less caught stealings and a better arm) in LF, three years after their White Sox shelf lives expired.  It's almost maddening. One year it's the Thome/Kotsay thing. This year, there's another insane personnel decision that's clouding the entire season. Actually, two. Because the combination of Thornton (when he wasn't suited or prepared to be closer) and Pierre defensively led directly to that 4-18 streak and season-long purgatory, seemingly.  I suppose someone will argue that the only reason we're still in this thing is Santos and Humber, and give credit to KW. Which will then lead back to the retort, what about Peavy/Beckham/Dunn/Rios/Pierre/Teahen/Linebrink/AJ?  Thornton is revisionist history. People had been trying to make him the closer for a couple of years now. The vast majority of people thought that was a good move. It is nothing like the Pierre thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 21, 2011 -> 09:24 AM) Thornton is revisionist history. People had been trying to make him the closer for a couple of years now. The vast majority of people thought that was a good move. It is nothing like the Pierre thing. And the problem with Thornton wasn't being moved to the closer's role anyway, it's that he suddenly couldn't strike anyone out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 QUOTE (knightni @ Jun 21, 2011 -> 02:05 AM) So... why not pinch hit for Pierre with two on and two outs in the 9th...? Â Obviously the lefty/righty matchup is more important then having a player with the power to hit a tying homer with 2 on, 2 outs, against one of the toughest pitchers to get a hit against in baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 21, 2011 -> 08:39 AM) And the problem with Thornton wasn't being moved to the closer's role anyway, it's that he suddenly couldn't strike anyone out. Â He still struck out 9 per 9. He just couldn't throw enough strikes to be effective. Edited June 21, 2011 by chw42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 QUOTE (knightni @ Jun 21, 2011 -> 02:05 AM) So... why not pinch hit for Pierre with two on and two outs in the 9th...? Because this team has to be one of the worst with regards to in-game managing. I'm confident Watson the computer would make better decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jun 21, 2011 -> 09:25 AM) Because this team has to be one of the worst with regards to in-game managing. I'm confident Watson the computer would make better decisions. Steve the Marketing Professional could right this ship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 maybe the reason the White Sox have won three games all year in which they were trailing after 6 innings may have something to do with the manager? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jun 21, 2011 -> 02:38 PM) maybe the reason the White Sox have won three games all year in which they were trailing after 6 innings may have something to do with the manager? Is that unusual? Â I feel like when teams are down after 6, they lose like 90%+ of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 21, 2011 -> 01:39 PM) Is that unusual? I feel like when teams are down after 6, they lose like 90%+ of the time. Maybe for bad teams. Division contenders typically have a higher success rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Some new math... Â 88 games left. Â 55 division games left. Â 55-33 would win 90 games. That's .625 ball the rest of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 21, 2011 Author Share Posted June 21, 2011 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jun 21, 2011 -> 01:49 PM) Maybe for bad teams. Division contenders typically have a higher success rate. Â I can't find those numbers. Any idea where they are? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 21, 2011 -> 02:11 PM) I can't find those numbers. Any idea where they are? No clue but it'd be an interesting stat to find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 If Konerko hits another HR before he strikes out again, he will have just many HR as K's in June (11). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jun 21, 2011 -> 03:12 PM) No clue but it'd be an interesting stat to find. ESPN's mobile app shows the "Odds of winning" for each team during the game. Â Last night in about the 3rd inning the Sox were up 2-0, and it showed the Sox with an 80% chance of winning the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jun 22, 2011 -> 04:37 AM) If Konerko hits another HR before he strikes out again, he will have just many HR as K's in June (11). When does this week's player of the week start? Is it Sunday or Monday? Based on the fact that he's homered in 5 straight he's kinda getting that one in hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 The F***? Only 35,155 fans were announced for the second of the three-game City Series at U.S. Cellular Field Tuesday, almost 5,000 below capacity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 22, 2011 -> 07:56 AM) The F***? Cubs suck, Sox suck, and it's a midweek night game. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 minny now tied with the sox in the loss column. Â I was oh so close to writing them off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Jun 22, 2011 -> 11:00 AM) minny now tied with the sox in the loss column. Â I was oh so close to writing them off. Â I hate them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 (edited) I think what's most alarming is that in all our blown saves, we've only recovered to win maybe one of those games. Â I don't know the exact numbers, but a lot of blown saves end up in tie games...I'd guess most teams win 30-35-40% of the time they blow one. Â The White Sox, not so much. Goes with the 3 comebacks in late innings (I think against KC and Seattle). Edited June 22, 2011 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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