He's done a phenomenal job of not over-reacting like a bunch of nut jobs here and staying calm and as a result the players responded. Ozzie has a tremendous ability to try and put his players in the best chance to succeed. That might not be in-game managing but it is an art that he has managed exceptionally, well, imo. And I know someone will now make a bunch of posts about how Kotsay being DH was a position he couldn't excel at, but by and large, Ozzie has done that and you'll hear a lot of his current and former players allude to that.

 

Ozzie understands how up and down the game of baseball is and he isn't going to overreact to things too often. I have problems with some of his ridiculous comments and some of the things he does, but by and large, he's a good manager. The question to me is at some point, players tune guys out or maybe just need to hear another voice, and when that type comes, it comes. It will happen to pretty much every mgr and coach.

The only good thing I can say about Ozzie is that it appears he controls the clubhouse and runs the show. I think the guys generally respect him and like playing for him. In terms of his pig headed attitude with JP this year and in 2010 with Kotsay, it's the ultimate display of ignorance and overconfidence you'll probably ever see out of a manager. And his in game decisions are sub par at best and most likely amongst the worst in the league (but there is no stat for this nor do I watch other managers often, so take that with a grain of salt)

He's done a phenomenal job of not over-reacting like a bunch of nut jobs here and staying calm and as a result the players responded. Ozzie has a tremendous ability to try and put his players in the best chance to succeed. That might not be in-game managing but it is an art that he has managed exceptionally, well, imo. And I know someone will now make a bunch of posts about how Kotsay being DH was a position he couldn't excel at, but by and large, Ozzie has done that and you'll hear a lot of his current and former players allude to that.

 

Ozzie understands how up and down the game of baseball is and he isn't going to overreact to things too often. I have problems with some of his ridiculous comments and some of the things he does, but by and large, he's a good manager. The question to me is at some point, players tune guys out or maybe just need to hear another voice, and when that type comes, it comes. It will happen to pretty much every mgr and coach.

 

Ozzie has cost this team five games off the top of my head. He's stubborn to a fault and he most certainly doesn't put his players in the best position to succeed. At least not consistently. Ozzie doesn't overreact? Didn't he just go on a tirade a couple weeks ago? Getting mad at the fans because most don't give him a free lifetime pass for 2005? Players respond to him? Well I wish Alex Rios, Adam Dunn, AJ, JP, Danks and Thornton would start responding. Because nothing he's done has worked (this is obviously on the players, too).

He's done a phenomenal job of not over-reacting like a bunch of nut jobs here and staying calm and as a result the players responded. Ozzie has a tremendous ability to try and put his players in the best chance to succeed. That might not be in-game managing but it is an art that he has managed exceptionally, well, imo. And I know someone will now make a bunch of posts about how Kotsay being DH was a position he couldn't excel at, but by and large, Ozzie has done that and you'll hear a lot of his current and former players allude to that.

 

Ozzie understands how up and down the game of baseball is and he isn't going to overreact to things too often. I have problems with some of his ridiculous comments and some of the things he does, but by and large, he's a good manager. The question to me is at some point, players tune guys out or maybe just need to hear another voice, and when that type comes, it comes. It will happen to pretty much every mgr and coach.

 

Like bunting with guys who can't bunt? Ozzie's good at managing a clubhouse, but he really doesn't give his players the best chance to succeed with some of his on-field decisions.

There's really zero reason Pierre is still on this team since he contributes nothing and doesn't really have the potential of contributing. A rotation of Beckham/Lilly at leadoff would be fine. Not ideal, but Juan is terrible and it's better than running him out there everyday. KW really needs to make this decision for Ozzie and DFA him.

Like bunting with guys who can't bunt? Ozzie's good at managing a clubhouse, but he really doesn't give his players the best chance to succeed with some of his on-field decisions.

Ozzie should be a bench coach. He's the ideal guy for that job, IMO. Put him with a patient and skilled game manager, and they could make a great duo.

 

Like bunting with guys who can't bunt? Ozzie's good at managing a clubhouse, but he really doesn't give his players the best chance to succeed with some of his on-field decisions.

I agree, Ozzie putting his players in bad situations has been his worst decisions lately. Say all you want about what Dunn makes, but putting him in to pinch hit against a lefty specialist with a runner on 3rd and one out was a joke. You need a contact guy there, and even at his peak performance that isn't a good situation for Dunn. Omar Vizquel would have been perfect for that.

Ozzie has cost this team five games off the top of my head. He's stubborn to a fault and he most certainly doesn't put his players in the best position to succeed. At least not consistently. Ozzie doesn't overreact? Didn't he just go on a tirade a couple weeks ago? Getting mad at the fans because most don't give him a free lifetime pass for 2005? Players respond to him? Well I wish Alex Rios, Adam Dunn, AJ, JP, Danks and Thornton would start responding. Because nothing he's done has worked (this is obviously on the players, too).

 

To me, it's been his worst year, no question about it.

The only skill I see in JP right now is the ability to lay down a bunt and run the bases with above average speed (sans stealing bases of course). If that's worth a spot on a roster somewhere, I'd be surprised. If he could steal bases, then he'd be a decent pinch runner that you could march out there every once in a while. Other than that I see absolutely no redeeming qualities in his game, and I wish he was DFA'd. We'd immediately be a much better team overall with Dayan taking his place.

 

Actually, his much-heralded bunting skills have gone south as well.

Actually, his much-heralded bunting skills have gone south as well.

He still seems to do a great job of getting a sacrifice down. He just isn't fast enough to make it a difficult play any more.

Actually, his much-heralded bunting skills have gone south as well.

 

They were DREADFUL last year. He had a success rate last year when he'd get a bunt down of around 15%.

Ozzie should be a bench coach. He's the ideal guy for that job, IMO. Put him with a patient and skilled game manager, and they could make a great duo.

(Gene Honda) Robin VEN-TOUR-AH

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Unfortunately it's an org wide culture of putting players in bad/akward situations, be it on or off the field. The rumors of Ozzie not liking Brian Anderson because of something with his sons, the org's apparent stance that Greg Walker is not there to make mechanical changes or being anything more than a sounding board for hitters, but if Nick Swisher asks his dad for help with his swing he's rumored to be taken to task on it, Ozzie's constant bizzare statements, etc.

(Gene Honda) Robin VEN-TOUR-AH

 

Many of you guys would fry a new manager over the coals just as you do Ozzie because in any loss there are a zillion things to second guess and b**** about and the new guy would make the same mistakes in your eyes. i.e. taking out the starter too late; wrong selection of relief pitchers, playing the guy(s) you think are stiffs, bunting, having a hit and run go bad or a squeeze bunt go bad.

 

I'm not defending Ozzie, he should have been fired already this season for letting a team with this payroll suck so badly, but trust me you will fry the next manager as well.

You think the next manager is going to please you with most or even many of his decisions??

Uh, Robin Ventura will do that? sure.

MDGonzales Mark Gonzales

Pierre working on bunting off BP machine.

 

[sits back and waits for murderous rage]

MDGonzales Mark Gonzales

Pierre working on bunting off BP machine.

 

[sits back and waits for murderous rage]

Well, he did need the practice

Well, he did need the practice

 

 

Bunting is a lost art. Hard to really find many who can do it and do it right consistently. Juan tries maybe to use it more as a bluff to then draw the fielder in and slap at the ball.

Bunting is a lost art. Hard to really find many who can do it and do it right consistently. Juan tries maybe to use it more as a bluff to then draw the fielder in and slap at the ball.

Do they keep track of "Bunts for base hits" as a stat somewhere? It seems like 2003 Pierre pretty much won a world series by doing that.

I'll just remember all of these comments when the Sox win a division title for the 3rd time in Ozzie's career this year. I also happen to think a managers most important job is to manage his players as a whole and has less to do with the in-game decisions though.

I'll just remember all of these comments when the Sox win a division title for the 3rd time in Ozzie's career this year. I also happen to think a managers most important job is to manage his players as a whole and has less to do with the in-game decisions though.

 

And when they lose the division for the sixth time in his tenure, do we also get to remember this? Or is that considered gloating?

And when they lose the division for the sixth time in his tenure, do we also get to remember this? Or is that considered gloating?

Fair is fair.

What happens if Pierre continues costing games and sometime in July he's replaced by a Cuban Monster who puts up a .950 OPS and propels the team to the Central? Who wins then?

What happens if Pierre continues costing games and sometime in July he's replaced by a Cuban Monster who puts up a .950 OPS and propels the team to the Central? Who wins then?

 

We....all.....do?

What happens if Pierre continues costing games and sometime in July he's replaced by a Cuban Monster who puts up a .950 OPS and propels the team to the Central? Who wins then?

 

Guillen cannot comprehend an OF that has no slappy guys out there. He would rather convince Kenny to bring De Aza up and try him before Viciedo shows up.

 

I'll just remember all of these comments when the Sox win a division title for the 3rd time in Ozzie's career this year. I also happen to think a managers most important job is to manage his players as a whole and has less to do with the in-game decisions though.

 

So if the Sox, with their 125+ mil payroll (barely) win a s***ty division... it will negate the fact that Ozzie is a terrible manager and has made some especially idiotic decisions this year?

 

I think not.

So if the Sox, with their 125+ mil payroll (barely) win a s***ty division... it will negate the fact that Ozzie is a terrible manager and has made some especially idiotic decisions this year?

 

I think not.

Frankly, yes. The only fair way to evaluate things is in aggregate.