Ozzie won't get fired unless he gets into a fight with KW and one of them has to go.

Neither, it's the managing. The hitting and pitching will at least come around.

How does the managing make more contact? How's does the manager make pitchers throw more strikes?

 

It's the players. We aren't above avg in anything.

18th in ERA

23rd in baa

 

 

10th in batting avg

14th obp

13th in ops

 

First 12 innings of the season though greatly impact the offensive stats. Hey, I was all for hoping the offense struggled cause of the great pitchers we faced, but we looked awful tonight.

Biggest problem on this club, the hitting or pitching?

 

Exactly, only one of the two shows up at a time.

Why does it feel that I'm the only person who thinks the Tigers have the most talent in the AL Central?

you're not - i've been scoffed at for fearing them. See the Diamond threads. But it's not like they're setting the league on fire either.

hey how about that guy,whats him name, tony pena? he managed the royals now hes a coach for the yankees. he got the players to play really well in 04, or does his managing skills suck too?

At this point a lawn ornament could do just as well as Guillen.

 

WOW

2005 championship thats what he brung,was he a moron that year too?

 

I just chopped my foot off.

Why does it feel that I'm the only person who thinks the Tigers have the most talent in the AL Central?

 

Because they don't? I mean Verlander and Miggy are phenomenal but beyond that its really paltry. Then again, this is a pretty barren division. I think the Twins and Sox still have more talent collectively.

I just chopped my foot off.

don't know why that made me laugh

I just chopped my foot off.

 

I hit myself in the head with my son's dirty diaper.

I just chopped my foot off.

lmfao

Losers and cowards live in the past my friend! Ditka told me.

First 12 innings of the season though greatly impact the offensive stats. Hey, I was all for hoping the offense struggled cause of the great pitchers we faced, but we looked awful tonight.

So if you adjust that, the players haven't performed well at anything. Hard to put that on the manager and a few bunts. The players we have aren't very good right now and it's about time to realize that they are at fault. Losses make a manager look bad and wins make you forget they even exist.

hey how about that guy,whats him name, tony pena? he managed the royals now hes a coach for the yankees. he got the players to play really well in 04, or does his managing skills suck too?

 

why is he a bench coach then?

2005 championship thats what he brung,was he a moron that year too?

 

Ever hear the term "what have you done for me lately"?

So if you adjust that, the players haven't performed well at anything. Hard to put that on the manager and a few bunts. The players we have aren't very good right now and it's about time to realize that they are at fault. Losses make a manager look bad and wins make you forget they even exist.

 

I said the same thing earlier about how good pitching/hitting makes managers look better. Ozzie's lineups have been fine this year, it's just the overuse of bunting seems to be out of control. The two huge mistakes he made with our pitchers was pulling Buehrle last Monday and then not letting Crain start the 9th last Wednesday (a game that seems to have deflated the team).

So if you adjust that, the players haven't performed well at anything. Hard to put that on the manager and a few bunts. The players we have aren't very good right now and it's about time to realize that they are at fault. Losses make a manager look bad and wins make you forget they even exist.

I blame the manager for the team failing at fundamentals. Even today, Rios took a bad route and dropped a sure out that turned into a double, Konerko got picked off, Gordon f***ed up a double play. This team's defense has been lacking all season and it's really simple things that should be stressed.

ozzie has changed a bit huh, i remember how all the players used to say how much they loved playing for him and that he was the best manager theyve ever played for and now u never hear players really praise him or anything and there seems to be more disgruntled players leaving than saying good things

I hit myself in the head with my son's dirty diaper.

 

 

opps ozzies fault

I blame the manager for the team failing at fundamentals. Even today, Rios took a bad route and dropped a sure out that turned into a double, Konerko got picked off, Gordon f***ed up a double play. This team's defense has been lacking all season and it's really simple things that should be stressed.

 

The outfield dropping flyballs is not on Ozzie. If those overpaid busters can't catch a ball, then they should bench themselves.

I blame the manager for the team failing at fundamentals. Even today, Rios took a bad route and dropped a sure out that turned into a double, Konerko got picked off, Gordon f***ed up a double play. This team's defense has been lacking all season and it's really simple things that should be stressed.

but isnt that more on the coaches like cora,etc?

I blame the manager for the team failing at fundamentals. Even today, Rios took a bad route and dropped a sure out that turned into a double, Konerko got picked off, Gordon f***ed up a double play. This team's defense has been lacking all season and it's really simple things that should be stressed.

So he's responsible for every mistake a player makes during the game?

I blame the manager for the team failing at fundamentals.

I don't want to fire Ozzie, but this I do very much agree with. Especially when it seems like it's a persistent year in year out problem.

why is he a bench coach then?

 

Reinsdorf doesn't find him hilarious?