southsider2k5 Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 If the Sox lose both games, are they done? If the Sox win both games are they back in it? If the Sox win both games, should they still be looking into selling off? How important is this series to the Sox, and what do you think will happen in it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 If they lose both, they aren't done, but it's going to make it that much tougher to come back. Winning both puts the Sox at 20-25, and 8 back, with 13 games left with the Indians. Very doable. Losing both puts them at 18-27, and 12 back. These are huge games. Losing both would pretty much force the Sox to go on 34-14 run leading up to the break. And that's not very likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 (edited) I think it's important to show Cleveland that we can compete. Unfortunately we have to face Masterson who owns us, on the other hand, we have fared well against Carmona. With the immense amount of division games left, these two still are pretty trivial in the grand scope, but it would be a nice mental boost to sweep the top team in the division. I think we split. Lose to Masterson and beat Carmona. Edited May 18, 2011 by maggsmaggs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knackattack Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 It would be a nice statement to win both and try to do it convincingly to enforce that we are actually good and that they are actually bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 The Sox need to be close to .500 by Memorial day. 5 games under is not close. There are 12 games before Memorial day, and the Sox are 7 games below. The Sox need to go ~ 8-4 or better over the next 12 games. 7-5 leaves them 5 games under .500 on Memorial day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 I'm sure they will split the series, giving us nothing but questions and the vaguest of hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 QUOTE (flavum @ May 18, 2011 -> 08:24 AM) If they lose both, they aren't done, but it's going to make it that much tougher to come back. Winning both puts the Sox at 20-25, and 8 back, with 13 games left with the Indians. Very doable. Losing both puts them at 18-27, and 12 back. These are huge games. Losing both would pretty much force the Sox to go on 34-14 run leading up to the break. And that's not very likely. How do you get those numbers? Why do we need to be 9 games up at the break? I'm just not buying it. This is a big series though, a sweep by the Tribe would kill our momentum. A split is acceptable and a sweep by us would be great, but in no way does any outcome kill our chances, imo. Still, lets just win!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Extremely important. You're talking a potential 4-game swing. Lose both and that's a White Sox season far as I'm concerned. 12 GB would be too much and too demoralizing. Win both and though you're still in a sizable hole, there's 'hope' and momentum going into the weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 18, 2011 -> 10:12 AM) If the Sox lose both games, are they done? If the Sox win both games are they back in it? If the Sox win both games, should they still be looking into selling off? How important is this series to the Sox, and what do you think will happen in it? We need to start beating the teams in our division. The formula for winning the central. Play 500 against good teams, pick off the weaker sisters in the AL and the NL. Then beat up on teams in your division. If we can beat the teams in our division we will have a hell of a time moving forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ May 18, 2011 -> 11:24 AM) How do you get those numbers? Why do we need to be 9 games up at the break? I'm just not buying it. This is a big series though, a sweep by the Tribe would kill our momentum. A split is acceptable and a sweep by us would be great, but in no way does any outcome kill our chances, imo. Still, lets just win!!! 34-14 might be a stretch, but giving the Indians two more wins right now would really force the Sox to go on a big run. I've always said the Sox need to be 50-43 at the break, so I'll stick with that. 32-18 from here to the break. Edited May 18, 2011 by flavum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Its an important series, but since its only 2 games, a "sweep" wouldn't cripple us, but it would make it harder to come back. If this were a 4 game series, I would say it was of vast importance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Let me propose this - the importance of our supposedly key next two wins against CLE (were they to happen) would be seriously hampered by losing us our following two games. And CLE winning theirs. We're so far down we can't circle games quite yet. Doing so is only to keep us more interested or motivated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Taking two would be nice, but these games are not even close to make or break either way. The idea of must wins in May is ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 QUOTE (flavum @ May 18, 2011 -> 11:39 AM) 34-14 might be a stretch, but giving the Indians two more wins right now would really force the Sox to go on a big run. I've always said the Sox need to be 50-43 at the break, so I'll stick with that. 32-18 from here to the break. I am with Jason here...where on earth are you coming up with this crazy idea that we need to have an exact record to have a chance? No one here, not even the Indians themselves, knows just how good they are. To have some belief that we need to be 7 games over .500 at the break versus 3 games over .500, or exactly at .500, is just very difficult for me to understand, and I have no clue how it can be justified. The key at this point is to continue to win series'. Continue to play good baseball. Get the bats going. Get Gordon/Dunn/Quentin going. Worry about games back once we reach July or August at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ May 18, 2011 -> 12:01 PM) Taking two would be nice, but these games are not even close to make or break either way. The idea of must wins in May is ridiculous. Do we have to fall behind 20 games for people to realize that EVERY game from this point on is crucial? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 QUOTE (Princess Dye @ May 18, 2011 -> 11:53 AM) Let me propose this - the importance of our supposedly key next two wins against CLE (were they to happen) would be seriously hampered by losing us our following two games. And CLE winning theirs. We're so far down we can't circle games quite yet. Doing so is only to keep us more interested or motivated. I've read this like five times, and I still have no idea what you're saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ May 18, 2011 -> 12:30 PM) Do we have to fall behind 20 games for people to realize that EVERY game from this point on is crucial? I think so, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ May 18, 2011 -> 12:37 PM) I've read this like five times, and I still have no idea what you're saying. I think he's trying to say that we could beat them both games and then lose our next 2 as they win their next 2 to make it a wash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ May 18, 2011 -> 12:38 PM) I think he's trying to say that we could beat them both games and then lose our next 2 as they win their next 2 to make it a wash. Ah, gotcha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ May 18, 2011 -> 12:38 PM) I think he's trying to say that we could beat them both games and then lose our next 2 as they win their next 2 to make it a wash. PD is a he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ May 18, 2011 -> 12:30 PM) Do we have to fall behind 20 games for people to realize that EVERY game from this point on is crucial? No, but you're going to lose baseball games. This isn't the NFL or the NBA. We have 120 of these left. We're going to lose at least 9 of them (I kid). Certainly you want to win every single game, but you cannot be on a ledge every day saying "if we don't win this one, we've got to blow it all up." There are just far too many different things that can happen over the course of the next 4.5 months to start calling out must wins. The key is to keep improving and gradually climbing out of the hole we dug ourselves throughout April and early May. We're doing that. That's all you can ask for at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ May 18, 2011 -> 12:43 PM) PD is a he? Oh. I have no idea. Didn't even cross my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ May 18, 2011 -> 04:53 PM) I'm sure they will split the series, giving us nothing but questions and the vaguest of hope. I am optimistic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ May 18, 2011 -> 12:43 PM) No, but you're going to lose baseball games. This isn't the NFL or the NBA. We have 120 of these left. We're going to lose at least 9 of them (I kid). Certainly you want to win every single game, but you cannot be on a ledge every day saying "if we don't win this one, we've got to blow it all up." There are just far too many different things that can happen over the course of the next 4.5 months to start calling out must wins. The key is to keep improving and gradually climbing out of the hole we dug ourselves throughout April and early May. We're doing that. That's all you can ask for at this point. Once this team hit double digits in games back then they forced me to be on the ledge every game. There's really no margin for error. We're not going on some 1993 Braves second-half blitz. If we don't seriously cut into this deficit soon, the last 3 months or so will be moot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ May 18, 2011 -> 12:45 PM) I am optimistic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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