greg775 Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Do teams try to deal with KW cause they know he'll overpay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 01:22 PM) Disagree, this year the hype has escalated waaaay high. I don't hear about him being in trade rumors. That could signal other ML scouts see him as a DH, which is of no value in the NL. He's also a Boras client, the Sox don't like those. So he will eventually play elsewhere (if he lives up to the hype), or the Sox will put a great deal of their finances in a DH. Ugh, how I hate the DH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyuen Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 01:43 PM) Well Edwin and Thornton for Rasmus is silly. Edwin is going to be worth quite a bit starting tomorrow morning, with this pitching market. i hope you are right but i disagree. i dont think we will get more than rasmus for him, either in a trade or a comp pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 QUOTE (docsox24 @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 12:47 PM) i hope you are right but i disagree. i dont think we will get more than rasmus for him, either in a trade or a comp pick I don't think we will either. What I am saying is we shouldn't have to deal one of the only effective starters AND left handed relievers on the market for Rasmus. If we really wanted to trade these two, we should be able to get 3-4 fairly high quality prospects for them. I'd take that over Colby Rasmus right now. If they traded Edwin straight-up for Rasmus tonight, I could live with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 If the Sox trade Viciedo...I'm done. Out. For the love of God you finally have a power hitting young prospect and you want to trade him off?!? I'm all for dumping Rios...but not at the expense of ridding ourselves of young talent like Viciedo and Sale. I know that sounds like wanting your cake and eat it too...but unless you have a plan to move Rios...this EJax/Thornton for Rios trade makes no sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 02:50 PM) I don't think we will either. What I am saying is we shouldn't have to deal one of the only effective starters AND left handed relievers on the market for Rasmus. If we really wanted to trade these two, we should be able to get 3-4 fairly high quality prospects for them. I'd take that over Colby Rasmus right now. If they traded Edwin straight-up for Rasmus tonight, I could live with that. Hypothetically from the Cardinals side, if they were to trade Rasmus to the Sox somehow...who would take over CF for them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 12:51 PM) Hypothetically from the Cardinals side, if they were to trade Rasmus to the Sox somehow...who would take over CF for them? John Jay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 01:51 PM) Hypothetically from the Cardinals side, if they were to trade Rasmus to the Sox somehow...who would take over CF for them? Jon Jay has already IMO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 01:55 PM) John Jay? Which is the whole reason they are looking to deal him (if the rumors are true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 01:51 PM) Hypothetically from the Cardinals side, if they were to trade Rasmus to the Sox somehow...who would take over CF for them? I think John Jay has taken over the everyday starting job in center Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Thanks guys. So if the Cards have already pulled him out of the starting spot, that ought to impact his trade value as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 12:59 PM) Thanks guys. So if the Cards have already pulled him out of the starting spot, that ought to impact his trade value as well. The issue from the Cards' perspective is the other two outfielders are Matt Holiday and Lance Berkman...it all works well if they remain healthy, but... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Special K @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 01:58 PM) I think John Jay has taken over the everyday starting job in center This is the benefit of a minor league system worth a damn. They develop Rasmus, who was considered among the league's top prospects, then several years later produce another player to supplant him. And now, they have the luxury of dealing a player they don't need for several pieces to help them contend. Edited July 24, 2011 by Flash Tizzle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyuen Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 01:57 PM) Which is the whole reason they are looking to deal him (if the rumors are true. except that they arent true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 02:02 PM) This is the benefit of a minor league system worth a damn. They develop Rasmus, who was considered among the league's top prospects, then several years later produce another player to supplant him. And now, they have the luxury of dealing a player they don't need for several pieces to help them contend. Yet if the Sox do exactly that, they are some kind of idiots... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapzk Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 if we could get Rasmus by only giving up Jackson... then the Jackson trade looks much better since it becomes Hudson + Holmberg for Rasmus pretty much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 I think Jackson has more value, but since hes a free agent hard to really cash in. If you are going to trade Jackson, a guy like Rasmus makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Rasmus just hit a bomb 2-3 so far! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 QUOTE (docsox24 @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 02:02 PM) except that they arent true Rasmus would certainly be an upgrade over rios and his .254 OBP. Maybe a new ball club will give him some life as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 02:02 PM) This is the benefit of a minor league system worth a damn. They develop Rasmus, who was considered among the league's top prospects, then several years later produce another player to supplant him. And now, they have the luxury of dealing a player they don't need for several pieces to help them contend. Uh, Jon Jay isn't really that good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 03:02 PM) This is the benefit of a minor league system worth a damn. They develop Rasmus, who was considered among the league's top prospects, then several years later produce another player to supplant him. And now, they have the luxury of dealing a player they don't need for several pieces to help them contend. GMAB man, the Cardinals have been thought have a bottom of the league system almost every year. They occasionally pull out a couple of pieces but then they're gone before they get to the big leagues, a-la the Mulder trade or the Holliday trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 02:04 PM) Yet if the Sox do exactly that, they are some kind of idiots... When have they done exactly that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 02:08 PM) GMAB man, the Cardinals have been thought have a bottom of the league system almost every year. They occasionally pull out a couple of pieces but then they're gone before they get to the big leagues, a-la the Mulder trade or the Holliday trade. Winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 02:10 PM) When have they done exactly that? We deal prospects for major leaguers all of the time. Then we spend years giving the woe is me over the ones that got away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 12:07 PM) http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/07/card...lby-rasmus.html deal may include Thornton and Edwin Jackson Rasmus isn't worth both of them, they would have throw in miller or martinez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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