RockRaines Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 04:23 PM) Yatzee! Yeah, its an awesome deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 04:26 PM) Can we expect similar deal for Humber? I certainly hope not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 05:43 PM) I certainly hope not. Why not? $8 million to lock him up for 3+ years would not be a bad gamble after the year he threw this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 04:43 PM) Why not? $8 million to lock him up for 3+ years would not be a bad gamble after the year he threw this year. Â As much as I believe that Humber could stick around as at least a decent starter, Santos had two seasons of performing well. I don't want to commit to Humber after just one season that may end up being a fluke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 05:53 PM) As much as I believe that Humber could stick around as at least a decent starter, Santos had two seasons of performing well. I don't want to commit to Humber after just one season that may end up being a fluke. At least in my view...a $2.6 million/year, 3 year commitment to Philip Humber is not a big risk compared to what he gave this year. We paid Linebrink 1.5 times that much this year to go away. Hell, in the fangraphs world he was worth $15 million this year alone. Â He also had a decent positive stint with the Royals in 2010 worth remembering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 04:25 PM) The Sox are gonna be as aggressive as hell in the next few weeks building a new culture within the team ASAP. This includes Manager and staff and then player moves when possible. Â Will this new culture involve spending some money on the god-damn draft? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Love it!!! One of the bright young up and coming stars on this team IMO. Great move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 05:35 PM) Will this new culture involve spending some money on the god-damn draft? Â Not absolutely sucking scouting wise would be nice, too. I realize money is a big part. But wow. You would think you'd hit on one first-round pick by accident over the course of a decade (the jury is still out on Sale). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 04:56 PM) At least in my view...a $2.6 million/year, 3 year commitment to Philip Humber is not a big risk compared to what he gave this year. We paid Linebrink 1.5 times that much this year to go away. Hell, in the fangraphs world he was worth $15 million this year alone. Â He also had a decent positive stint with the Royals in 2010 worth remembering. Â How many more years would we definitely have control of Humber including arbitration? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 09:02 PM) How many more years would we definitely have control of Humber including arbitration? Based on what ive read today he's on the same path as Santos and has 2 years of service time as of now. That ought to mean we'd have his control for 4 years, one more pre-arb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Why any player would accept a deal with three team options blows my mind. I love this deal for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 09:21 PM) Why any player would accept a deal with three team options blows my mind. I love this deal for us. Because Sergio Santos could get hurt tomorrow and retire with $8 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 04:26 PM) Can we expect similar deal for Humber? Let's see how he does in 2012 and then decide, he is very cheap for next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 08:23 PM) Because Sergio Santos could get hurt tomorrow and retire with $8 million. Agreeing to three option years and foregoing two years of free agency seems a bit extreme for only $8 million in guaranteed money. Can you even think of a comparable deal? IMO, Hahn absolutely raped Santos' agent with this deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 08:36 PM) Agreeing to three option years and foregoing two years of free agency seems a bit extreme for only $8 million in guaranteed money. Can you even think of a comparable deal? IMO, Hahn absolutely raped Santos' agent with this deal. Â Beats getting raped (Peavy, Rios, Dunn, Thornton) for a change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 09:36 PM) Agreeing to three option years and foregoing two years of free agency seems a bit extreme for only $8 million in guaranteed money. Can you even think of a comparable deal? IMO, Hahn absolutely raped Santos' agent with this deal. Longoria is on a similar deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 08:46 PM) Longoria is on a similar deal. Â I cry whenever I look at that contract setup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Pretty good deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 08:16 PM) Based on what ive read today he's on the same path as Santos and has 2 years of service time as of now. That ought to mean we'd have his control for 4 years, one more pre-arb. Â QUOTE (Soxfest @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 08:35 PM) Let's see how he does in 2012 and then decide, he is very cheap for next year. Â What Soxfest said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 10:20 PM) What Soxfest said. That would mean he's arbitration eligible, which would massively increase the cost of extending him at that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 09:26 PM) That would mean he's arbitration eligible, which would massively increase the cost of extending him at that point. Â How much can arbitration possibly balloon his contract? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 04:23 PM) Yatzee! Â Wow, that would be a major steal if he can stick as a closer. If not you don't lose much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 08:23 PM) Because Sergio Santos could get hurt tomorrow and retire with $8 million. Â And he was about this close to being out of baseball all together, so this isn't half bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 10:39 PM) How much can arbitration possibly balloon his contract? Â Closers are getting $10 to $12 million on the open market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 08:46 PM) Longoria is on a similar deal. Santos was one year away from arbitration, while Longoria was three. Regardless, the Longoria deal was the definition of steal, so if that is the most comparable then the Santos deal continues to look amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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