thehugeunit Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Nov 13, 2011 -> 11:39 AM) Sox need to trade Danks. He seems intent on testing free agency. Field offers for as long as you can and take the best one. Kenny Williams is your GM... he'll take the first offer he gets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Nov 13, 2011 -> 12:39 PM) Sox need to trade Danks. He seems intent on testing free agency. Field offers for as long as you can and take the best one. Pair the Danks brothers together in a trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Nov 14, 2011 -> 01:13 AM) Pair the Danks brothers together in a trade. The 2nd one is a defensive replacement currently, and has some people here wanting him cut to clear space on the 40 man roster. In a year or two he might well be an unrestricted FA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 14, 2011 Author Share Posted November 14, 2011 http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/white-sox/..._medium=twitter Kenny Williams can talk trades in person November, 13, 2011 By Doug Padilla MILWAUKEE -- The White Sox could move closer this week to trading players like Carlos Quentin, John Danks and Gavin Floyd. [+] EnlargeJohn Danks Rick Osentoski/US PresswireWhite Sox starter John Danks could be a sought-after commodity on the trade market. The general manager meetings begin Monday in Milwaukee, giving Kenny Williams the chance to work face to face with his colleagues. Williams has been saying as far back as September that the club’s payroll won’t be what it was in 2011 when the White Sox spent morev than $127 million on player salaries. That would likely mean some established players will be moved. Quentin and Danks will be arbitration eligible for the final time and could combine to make $15 million for the upcoming season. Floyd is set to make $7 million in the final year of his four-year, $15.5 million contract, although he has an option for 2013. The GM meetings provide an opportunity to lay some groundwork for deals that could come later in the offseason. Most of the offseason business around baseball is conducted during and around winter meetings, which take place Dec. 5-8 in Dallas. Williams said that if trades established players it won’t be to replenish the farm system. Williams wants to come away with major-league ready talent that could help in the 2012 season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 All the blogs on the Rockies list Danks at the the top of their wish list. I wonder which GM will start the ball rolling....Rockies need a solid SP to be ready to win in 2012. Of course, they also need a third baseman, a second baseman, a first baseman under 35.. Still, they have a lot to offer in a trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 QUOTE (oldsox @ Nov 14, 2011 -> 10:51 AM) All the blogs on the Rockies list Danks at the the top of their wish list. I wonder which GM will start the ball rolling....Rockies need a solid SP to be ready to win in 2012. Of course, they also need a third baseman, a second baseman, a first baseman under 35.. Still, they have a lot to offer in a trade. I've got to imagine that they don't want to block the guys they swiped from Cleveland, so having D1 on a 1 year deal wouldn't be terrible for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevo880 Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (oldsox @ Nov 14, 2011 -> 09:51 AM) All the blogs on the Rockies list Danks at the the top of their wish list. I wonder which GM will start the ball rolling....Rockies need a solid SP to be ready to win in 2012. Of course, they also need a third baseman, a second baseman, a first baseman under 35.. Still, they have a lot to offer in a trade. What's a good Rockies blog? Better yet, any knowledge on respectable Rockies message boards? Edited November 15, 2011 by kevo880 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcgrad70 Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 03:04 PM) For once, I would love to see the Sox bend somebody over a barrel in a trade. It seems that we're seeing teams more and more make a trade that gets people saying, "I can't believe they gave up that much." I want us to have at least one of those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcgrad70 Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 (edited) The only thing Sox management is good at fleecing is its ever shrinking fanbase. Kenny Williams has been taken to the cleaners from west to east. Edited November 15, 2011 by mcgrad70 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 QUOTE (mcgrad70 @ Nov 14, 2011 -> 10:47 PM) The only thing Sox management is good at fleecing is its ever shrinking fanbase. Kenny Williams has been taken to the cleaners from west to east. I feel like half of the posters that have signed up lately are just trolls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Nov 14, 2011 -> 10:56 PM) I feel like half of the posters that have signed up lately are just trolls. This guy's a special case. He absolutely despises the team/owner. I can honestly say I haven't seen him say a single positive thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 ESPNChiSox Doug Padilla KW says new trade options have emerged at GM meetings. Smiled when he said it. 1 minute ago Favorite Retweet Reply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 DKnobler DKnobler Kenny Williams says if White Sox can make deals he wants, they would officially be "rebuilding" 50 seconds ago Favorite Retweet Reply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Nov 15, 2011 -> 06:03 PM) DKnobler DKnobler Kenny Williams says if White Sox can make deals he wants, they would officially be "rebuilding" 50 seconds ago Favorite Retweet Reply Now that's interesting. I hope if we decide to do a legit rebuild, we can somehow move Konerko for a decent package and then make Dunn the regular 1B. I honestly think playing the field everyday could help his hitting. How much remains to be seen, but there's really nothing to lose if we're rebuilding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (DirtySox @ Nov 15, 2011 -> 06:03 PM) DKnobler DKnobler Kenny Williams says if White Sox can make deals he wants, they would officially be "rebuilding" 50 seconds ago Favorite Retweet Reply Williams' grin prevailed when a reporter inquired about whether an undisclosed trade proposal surfaced at the general managers' meetings that he hadn't considered. “Yes," Williams replied. "Would you like to know what it is?" The reporter didn't fall for the bait, but Williams has been in his usual aggressive mode despite wondering what course the Sox will take. The fact that Williams is more receptive to acquiring more young players opens an avenue that the Sox hadn't aggressively pursued in past off-seasons. “We’re more open to making potential moves that take us a little younger, take us a step back and live to fight another day if we can identify what we’ve identified the type of targets you want in such a deal," Williams said. "But whether you can get those targets or not remains to be seen. So we’re more open. "For the last 12 years, we’ve been grinding it out, trying to put forth an effort to win a championship. It’s difficult to do that for such a long period of time – rebuild at the same time as you’re trying to compete. Fortunately we’ve had some teams that have done better than others, and there have been teams that didn’t meet our expectations." http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0,5215505.story Edited November 16, 2011 by DirtySox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Nov 15, 2011 -> 06:03 PM) DKnobler DKnobler Kenny Williams says if White Sox can make deals he wants, they would officially be "rebuilding" 50 seconds ago Favorite Retweet Reply Yes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishPrince34 Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (DirtySox @ Nov 15, 2011 -> 07:30 PM) http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0,5215505.story I'd say blow it up. When you decided to make Robin Ventura your manager to learn on the job that shows rebuilding is the direction your going. Danks has no desire to signing and wants to test free agency. Trade Quentin-check. Floyd doesn't have to be traded right away unless you get blown away in a deal-like when we stole Danks and Massett from Rangers. Then let's start the rebuilding by trading Konerko, Thornton, Pierznyski, and the possibility of seeing any takers for Rios and eating a lot of the contract. We need to focus on player development and the farm system. Also, the new collective bargaining agreement will benefit the Sox because of the changes being made towards the draft. It's way to hard to think they will be competitive the next 2 years with Rios, Dunn, and Peavy contracts messing things up and the departure of Buehrle. Edited November 16, 2011 by PolishPrince34 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 16, 2011 Author Share Posted November 16, 2011 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Nov 15, 2011 -> 06:03 PM) DKnobler DKnobler Kenny Williams says if White Sox can make deals he wants, they would officially be "rebuilding" 50 seconds ago Favorite Retweet Reply If Buehrle is leaving, you really have to consider it. I know you can get rid of the real deadweight, but at least then the team is positioning itself for when the bad contracts start to drop off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwolf68 Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 This is going to be an exciting off-season, but the luster will probably shine off when we lose 90+ games next year. Disclaimer: I am FOR a full rebuild. Kenny stinks when he tries to make trades for the big names, but he is actually pretty good when he goes for projects and under the radar guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Nov 15, 2011 -> 06:37 PM) Yes! I'd be so much more excited if it weren't KW saying this and Jerry the owner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Nov 15, 2011 -> 06:37 PM) Yes! Yes indeed. Get this train back on track. It isn't hard to identify the model that has and is continuing to lead to success in recent times. Invest in amateur talent, and fix the godawful player development. Use these tools to augment the moderate to above-average payroll and spending on free agents. There is no excuse for a major market team like the White Sox to not emulate what the premier franchises have been doing for years now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 QUOTE (kwolf68 @ Nov 15, 2011 -> 07:00 PM) This is going to be an exciting off-season, but the luster will probably shine off when we lose 90+ games next year. Disclaimer: I am FOR a full rebuild. Kenny stinks when he tries to make trades for the big names, but he is actually pretty good when he goes for projects and under the radar guys. We're a ridiculous 30-game stretch away of finishing below .500 4 times in 5 years. I can tolerate a few extra losses if ultimately you're building towards hopefully a sustained run of success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 16, 2011 Author Share Posted November 16, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Nov 15, 2011 -> 07:10 PM) I'd be so much more excited if it weren't KW saying this and Jerry the owner. Why? These are the moves that Kenny has been best at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 Deal Konerko, move CQ or Viciedo to 1B. Might as well. Elf and De Aza both deserve playing time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 15, 2011 -> 07:15 PM) Why? These are the moves that Kenny has been best at. I guess when you have to go back to 2007 to find one of these moves it's going to make you skeptical. We shall soon see if that version of KW still exists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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