Jon Garland is available. End of discussion.

Your words are bolded above. You said that him throwing pain free is not based on fact. Unless you are trying to tell me that you misquoted yourself.

 

 

False. Those are not my words. That is a quote I cited from an article which pertained to

actual capsule injuries to other major league pitchers. The man who used those words was none other than Mets medical director Dr. David Altchek, the surgeon who operated on Saberhagen at the Hospital for Special Surgery in Manhattan and who also did Santana's repair.

Want to apologize now?

 

Interesting to see that you insist on engaging me on what is really, a non-issue, especially when it seems

like you as well as a few others have not bothered to read the article I cited. This is information from a

surgeon who has actually done these surgeries on pitchers like Santana, not an unnamed, anonymous physical therapist professing to be an expert in a highly specialized area.

 

Meanwhile I have had another legitimate new thread removed by someone.

What is up with that? What is going on here with this kind of nonsense?

Is this a forum for genuine Sox fans like myself or a den for trolls?

Edited March 23, 201313 yr by southside_hitman

It wasnt removed, it was put in future sox, the proper forum for that discussion.

False. Those are not my words. That is a quote I cited from an article which pertained to

actual capsule injuries to other major league pitchers. The man who used those words was none other than Mets medical director Dr. David Altchek, the surgeon who operated on Saberhagen at the Hospital for Special Surgery in Manhattan and who also did Santana's repair.

Want to apologize now?

 

Interesting to see that you insist on engaging me on what is really, a non-issue, especially when it seems

like you as well as a few others have not bothered to read the article I cited. This is information from a

surgeon who has actually done these surgeries on pitchers like Santana, not an unnamed, anonymous physical therapist professing to be an expert in a highly specialized area.

 

Meanwhile I have had another legitimate new thread removed by someone.

What is up with that? What is going on here with this kind of nonsense?

Is this a forum for genuine Sox fans like myself or a den for trolls?

 

It wasn't nearly as exciting as signing Mitch Mustain, Juan Silverio or Anderson Gomes.

It wasnt removed, it was put in future sox, the proper forum for that discussion.

 

The code of conduct here states that it pertains to all posters, regardless of the amount of posts they have accumulated.

 

 

The code of conduct here states that it pertains to all posters, regardless of the amount of posts they have accumulated.

 

Meaning?

Why would there be a "conspiracy" to prove that John Danks is actually healthy when he's not healthy?

 

To sell more tickets? C'mon, the fact of the matter is that there's a decent chance that Santiago or Axelrod could put up similar numbers to Danks in April...if Danks isn't yet 100% comfortable.

 

The fact of the matter is that this coaching and training/conditioning staff has the best track record in the business with pitchers.

 

Sure, we can all retroactively launch "fire KW" threads a year from now when/if John Danks is pitching more like Jim Parque, but, until that happens...we just have to wait and cross our fingers that he'll return to the pitcher he once was, and hopefully more like the 2008 version.

Edited March 23, 201313 yr by caulfield12

False. Those are not my words. That is a quote I cited from an article which pertained to

actual capsule injuries to other major league pitchers. The man who used those words was none other than Mets medical director Dr. David Altchek, the surgeon who operated on Saberhagen at the Hospital for Special Surgery in Manhattan and who also did Santana's repair.

Want to apologize now?

 

Interesting to see that you insist on engaging me on what is really, a non-issue, especially when it seems

like you as well as a few others have not bothered to read the article I cited. This is information from a

surgeon who has actually done these surgeries on pitchers like Santana, not an unnamed, anonymous physical therapist professing to be an expert in a highly specialized area.

 

Meanwhile I have had another legitimate new thread removed by someone.

What is up with that? What is going on here with this kind of nonsense?

Is this a forum for genuine Sox fans like myself or a den for trolls?

 

If those aren't your words, you really need to properly site your sources. That post makes it look like it is your thoughts.

 

Back on topic, we have someone who has worked in professional sports as a trainer, who is giving you great information on this specific injury, which you repeatedly have ignored to make your agenda keep rolling. The only trolling going on here is by yourself, and that isn't going to keep happening. Take from that what you will.

If those aren't your words, you really need to properly site your sources. That post makes it look like it is your thoughts. ... we have someone who has worked in professional sports as a trainer, who is giving you great information on this specific injury, which you repeatedly have ignored to make your agenda keep rolling. The only trolling going on here is by yourself, and that isn't going to keep happening. Take from that what you will.

 

I don't understand your anger, your accusation of "trolling" or your thinly veiled threat of expulsion from the forum.

 

First you were wrong in ascribing the opinion of the physician who performed this surgery on mlb pitchers to me.

The entire paragraph was from an article that was properly linked. You failed to read it before casting your opinion. You chose to ignore the opinion of the surgeon that actually performed this operation on numerous occasions in favor of an anonymous physical therapist that posts on this forum.

I did not choose to continue this thread. However, in addition to the fact that the article I posted with a very thorough analysis of this from a specialist, a suggestion was made that Danks capsule tear was "not a significant injury." Do you think that is a reasonable assessment of the injury?

 

I have no agenda on John Danks injury but is seems clear to me that others choose to ignore what has been learned from similar surgical procedures and the physician that performed them. Based on that information I simply stated that none of us know how long it will take for Danks to return to his prior form. It could be a few weeks or perhaps a few months. Perhaps he will never be exactly the same as he was years ago. We just don't know.

 

You have no basis under the rules of this forum to expel me. I have conducted myself properly here and have not even approached the level of anger, the type of sarcasm, the hatred, or the vulgarity that some have used. I can only conclude from your threat that you have an agenda and that agenda is to

eliminate me from the forum for some reason that has nothing to do with any violation of the rules.

Given that, I am not going to respond to you further because this is truly a bunch of nonsense and a waste of time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't understand your anger, your accusation of "trolling" or your thinly veiled threat of expulsion from the forum.

 

First you were wrong in ascribing the opinion of the physician who performed this surgery on mlb pitchers to me.

The entire paragraph was from an article that was properly linked. You failed to read it before casting your opinion. You chose to ignore the opinion of the surgeon that actually performed this operation on numerous occasions in favor of an anonymous physical therapist that posts on this forum.

I did not choose to continue this thread. However, in addition to the fact that the article I posted with a very thorough analysis of this from a specialist, a suggestion was made that Danks capsule tear was "not a significant injury." Do you think that is a reasonable assessment of the injury?

 

I have no agenda on John Danks injury but is seems clear to me that others choose to ignore what has been learned from similar surgical procedures and the physician that performed them. Based on that information I simply stated that none of us know how long it will take for Danks to return to his prior form. It could be a few weeks or perhaps a few months. Perhaps he will never be exactly the same as he was years ago. We just don't know.

 

You have no basis under the rules of this forum to expel me. I have conducted myself properly here and have not even approached the level of anger, the type of sarcasm, the hatred, or the vulgarity that some have used. I can only conclude from your threat that you have an agenda and that agenda is to

eliminate me from the forum for some reason that has nothing to do with any violation of the rules.

Given that, I am not going to respond to you further because this is truly a bunch of nonsense and a waste of time.

It's not a waste of time when you refuse to acknowledge the fact that Danks has begun throwing painfree much earlier than any of the examples from a few years ago. You can be as negative as you want but there is more evidence that he is doing well and will return soon as opposed to it taking up to 2 years in some of the examples you have cited. Is it possible he could take that ong, of course. However given his current progression there is no reason to jump to that conclusion.

Danks gave up 4 homers to Sox minor leaguers Puckett, Smith, Thompson, Shoemaker . 66 pitches.

Edited March 24, 201313 yr by flavum

Danks gave up 4 homers to Sox minor leaguers. 66 pitches.

 

Lovely.

Lovely.

 

Yep. Just one of those things. Expect the worst. Hope for the best.

He speaks...

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0,2408864.story

I think he needs to keep building up his arm strength.... he is not yet there. I'm guessing his velocity will be back by May 1st. (I'm hopeful!) For now, we are very fortunate to have a guy like Quintana to hold down his spot. We will likely see this rotation to start the year:

 

1) Sale

2) Peavy

3) Floyd

4) Quintana

5) Axelrod/Santiago

So tell me...

 

When does John Danks take the bump for the White Sox for the first time this season?

So tell me...

 

When does John Danks take the bump for the White Sox for the first time this season?

 

Game 163 after about four months of constant speculation. #thereturn

Game 163 after about four months of constant speculation. #thereturn

 

Sox sign Jim Thome just before the game and he takes Nick Blackburn deep (who the Tigers acquired after Doug Fister goes down with a case of hand-syphillis) and the Sox win 1-0.

Danks gave up 4 homers to Sox minor leaguers Puckett, Smith, Thompson, Shoemaker . 66 pitches.

 

Trayce Thompson hitting a homerun off you is acceptable.

Dude's an unmined gem yall

So tell me...

 

When does John Danks take the bump for the White Sox for the first time this season?

 

I'll answer my own question...I hope May 3rd, and he's still able to make 27 starts this season.

So tell me...

 

When does John Danks take the bump for the White Sox for the first time this season?

Early May.

June 15th.

 

They need to baby him along.

So tell me...

 

When does John Danks take the bump for the White Sox for the first time this season?

 

Hopefully he won't miss more than a few starts in April.

Do we have a definite fifth starter yet?

 

Why is the Trib talking about it like it's ironclad for sure going to be Axelrod? I thought Santiago was still in the mix to some extent?

 

Granted I havent been as in the loop as I usually am lately.

Edited March 27, 201313 yr by Jose Paniagua