Iwritecode Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 24, 2012 -> 04:09 PM) Excellent post. I do disagree that he cussed OUT his coworkers. He cussed around them a lot. He did call out his boss and got canned for it. So if you agree with that post, why do you think Ozzie deserved another year? If anything, the Marlins are saving him from himself. I imagine he's going to have a tough time finding another managerial job as it is. If he were to have 2 more years like the one he just had, he wouldn't be able to land a job managing the Bad News Bears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 QUOTE (Iwritecode @ Oct 24, 2012 -> 10:21 PM) So if you agree with that post, why do you think Ozzie deserved another year? If anything, the Marlins are saving him from himself. I imagine he's going to have a tough time finding another managerial job as it is. If he were to have 2 more years like the one he just had, he wouldn't be able to land a job managing the Bad News Bears. Cause he signed a four-year deal. Getting rid of a guy after one year is kind of brash. Now if they blamed it on the Castro thing, I guess that's fine to axe him after one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 24, 2012 -> 04:09 PM) There is absolutely no evidence at all he is a "horrible manager." Did he suck this past season? Yes. But so did many other facets of that team. Ozzie Guillen's record last six seasons - 475-496 (.489) Ozzie Guillen's teams' average payroll last six seasons - $113,000,000 /evidence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iwritecode Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 24, 2012 -> 04:23 PM) Cause he signed a four-year deal. Getting rid of a guy after one year is kind of brash. Now if they blamed it on the Castro thing, I guess that's fine to axe him after one. Considering his body of work the last couple of years, they probably made the right decision. Nothing he has said or done has indicated that it was going to get any better in the next 3 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Oct 24, 2012 -> 09:25 PM) Ozzie Guillen's record last six seasons - 475-496 (.489) Ozzie Guillen's teams' average payroll last six seasons - $113,000,000 /evidence Fair enough. In your guys' opinion who IS a good manager. I'm thinking there are no good managers out there under your guys' criteria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 24, 2012 -> 04:30 PM) Fair enough. In your guys' opinion who IS a good manager. I'm thinking there are no good managers out there under your guys' criteria. +1 here for Bruce Bochy. He's been the manager for all of the Padres post season appearances including a world series and has now taken the Giants to 2. He is an above .500 manager even though he's been in charge of some really terrible low payroll teams. He played nearly 10 seasons as a catcher before taking the reigns with the San Diego Padres in 1995. He took a franchise that had not been all that good historically to the 1998 World Series and four National League Western divisional titles before moving up the coast to San Francisco to replace Felipe Alou for the 2007 season. All Bochy has done with the Giants was guide the team to their first World Series championship since they moved from New York in 1958 two years ago. Edited October 24, 2012 by RockRaines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 24, 2012 -> 04:30 PM) Fair enough. In your guys' opinion who IS a good manager. I'm thinking there are no good managers out there under your guys' criteria. Look a couple hundred miles north of Miami. Joe Maddon is the best manager in baseball, by far. He gets dealt teams with $40 and $50 million payrolls and has won 84 games or more in every season since 2008. That's what you call doing more with less. It's also worth mentioning he led the Rays to two playoff appearances in the past 4 years, once to the World Series. Edited October 24, 2012 by chw42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 24, 2012 -> 04:30 PM) Fair enough. In your guys' opinion who IS a good manager. I'm thinking there are no good managers out there under your guys' criteria. Certainly not someone whos got a sub .500 record whos mouth is a detriment to the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 You can argue whether he's a good manager or not...but is he worth the headache is the main question. I honestly have a hard time seeing any teams besides 1 or 2 MAYBE that would even take a chance on him in the next year or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 24, 2012 Author Share Posted October 24, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 24, 2012 -> 04:09 PM) There is absolutely no evidence at all he is a "horrible manager." Did he suck this past season? Yes. But so did many other facets of that team. This is two straight teams that he significantly underperformed the manager he either succeeded, or was succeed by, even when he had much more talent than the other manager. That alone tells a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxfan09 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 One of Ozzie's initial Replies: They shouldn'ta dun it. Link: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/10/25/3066...iring-isnt.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 23, 2012 -> 04:53 PM) Ozzie won't manage on a one year contract. considering how the last 2 seasons have gone, why would any team give him more than one year? I really don't think he is too upset about today's announcement, but it will probably keep him from managing again unless he has been humbled enough to work on one year contracts. He would be stupid to work in baseball. It would void the 3 years of his Marlin contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 24, 2012 -> 12:30 PM) Winning the WS so quickly in Chicago was as much a curse for Ozzie as a blessing. Obviously it's a great honor & accomplishment and he will always be remembered in Chicago. But it raised his already inflated ego through the f***ing roof. Also, he suddenly thought that managing was so easy and he knew everything. When his teams started to falter, he just cried & b****ed & made a fool of himself instead of you know, managing the team. He was never humbled, and I doubt this will do it either. I don't see how a team could hire him as manager, unless Caracas gets a MLB franchise. He's the MLB version of Ditka. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Oct 26, 2012 -> 09:39 PM) He's the MLB version of Ditka. Ditka is at least somewhat intelligent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpd9189 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Speaking of Ozzie being fired, was Cowley fired as well? I haven't heard anything come from that jerkoff's mouth in a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 QUOTE (dpd9189 @ Oct 29, 2012 -> 11:20 AM) Speaking of Ozzie being fired, was Cowley fired as well? I haven't heard anything come from that jerkoff's mouth in a while. I think he's the Bulls' beat writer now for the Sun Times. His columnist days were ova before Ozzie even got canned. 2012 was not kind to Team Guillen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 QUOTE (MAX @ Oct 28, 2012 -> 08:15 PM) Ditka is at least somewhat intelligent. Yeah, like when he was going to make a stupid trade thinking the Colts were going to draft Ricky Williams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Oct 29, 2012 -> 08:14 PM) Yeah, like when he was going to make a stupid trade thinking the Colts were going to draft Ricky Williams. If doing a few stupid things made a person unintelligent we'd all be considered half wits. Its doing it repeatedly that makes me doubt ozzies intelligence. Edited November 5, 2012 by MAX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewokpelts Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Too bad Ozzie got s***-canned after one year. It appears he and loria were made for each other. i mean what other team would make THIS available for sale? http://shop.mlb.com/product/index.jsp?productId=12988384 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 This latest Loria fiasco should rejuvenate Ozzie's career. Loria is a disgrace to the game with this trade with Toronto. I just wish the Sox fleeced him like Toronto did. Anyway, Ozzie should be fine again with Loria the laughingstock of sports. Nobody can or should work for Loria. I wish Oz's contract would let him get another job, though. He shouldn't have to sit around collecting paychecks but doing nothing else. Loria's the one who fired him. I think when the Royals fire Yost next season in May, Oz would be perfect for KC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 14, 2012 -> 11:10 PM) This latest Loria fiasco should rejuvenate Ozzie's career. Loria is a disgrace to the game with this trade with Toronto. I just wish the Sox fleeced him like Toronto did. Anyway, Ozzie should be fine again with Loria the laughingstock of sports. Nobody can or should work for Loria. I wish Oz's contract would let him get another job, though. He shouldn't have to sit around collecting paychecks but doing nothing else. Loria's the one who fired him. I think when the Royals fire Yost next season in May, Oz would be perfect for KC. Ozzie is the worst fit for KC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 15, 2012 -> 12:10 AM) This latest Loria fiasco should rejuvenate Ozzie's career. Loria is a disgrace to the game with this trade with Toronto. I just wish the Sox fleeced him like Toronto did. Anyway, Ozzie should be fine again with Loria the laughingstock of sports. Nobody can or should work for Loria. I wish Oz's contract would let him get another job, though. He shouldn't have to sit around collecting paychecks but doing nothing else. Loria's the one who fired him. I think when the Royals fire Yost next season in May, Oz would be perfect for KC. Loria still got him the talent last year and the team failed....I wish Loria would have kept the team around just to see if they could turn it around under new management like the Sox did after Ozzie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Nov 14, 2012 -> 11:45 PM) Ozzie is the worst fit for KC. I don't know, Ozzie would have his #1 fan just 45 miles away, I think that's a great fit. Baseball-wise it would not make sense, but it's all about entertaining the fans! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 15, 2012 Author Share Posted November 15, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 14, 2012 -> 11:10 PM) This latest Loria fiasco should rejuvenate Ozzie's career. Loria is a disgrace to the game with this trade with Toronto. I just wish the Sox fleeced him like Toronto did. Anyway, Ozzie should be fine again with Loria the laughingstock of sports. Nobody can or should work for Loria. I wish Oz's contract would let him get another job, though. He shouldn't have to sit around collecting paychecks but doing nothing else. Loria's the one who fired him. I think when the Royals fire Yost next season in May, Oz would be perfect for KC. Ozzie had a whole lot to do with that roster failing. This doesn't help him at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iwritecode Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 15, 2012 -> 08:26 AM) Ozzie had a whole lot to do with that roster failing. This doesn't help him at all. You might as well be talking to a brick wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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