http://www.csnchicago.com/cubs/cubs-or-sox...ostseason-first

 

Discuss/debate.

 

Not really a long article, but perhaps a more interesting discussion if it was flushed out in about 5-6 areas (minor leagues, major leagues, NL vs. AL, payrolls/expected payrolls, Wrigley Expansion/Renovation, Ricketts vs. Reinsdorf, possible ownership/succession plans for Sox, etc.)

Who gives a s***? I'm interested in making it back before the Twins and Indians.

Cubs. Probably in the next 2-3 years as a wild card.

They have certainly shown to have the better GM for rebuilding but then again, I'm not sure we're at that point. And ultimately that plan is a crapshoot as it is.

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They have certainly shown to have the better GM for rebuilding but then again, I'm not sure we're at that point. And ultimately that plan is a crapshoot as it is.

I couldn't even tell you their GM's name.

You can get in with great pitching and below average hitting.

 

It's rare that you can get in with great hitting and below average pitching.

I couldn't even tell you their GM's name.

Everyone knows Theo is running the show.

They have certainly shown to have the better GM for rebuilding but then again, I'm not sure we're at that point. And ultimately that plan is a crapshoot as it is.

 

"We're" not, and nor were "we" this past offseason.

 

I went with the Sox just because I believe they have less holes to fill. Really though I think it's all about who wants to spend money. If the Sox wanna bring in a 1B(Abreu, Morales, Hart, Lind) and a catcher (McCann, Salty) they realistically can make it back NEXT YEAR IMO.

You can get in with great pitching and below average hitting.

 

It's rare that you can get in with great hitting and below average pitching.

 

That's true. I would think Sale, Q, Rienzo, and Santiago are worth more than their top 5 MLBers and top 5 prospects combined going forward.

That's true. I would think Sale, Q, Rienzo, and Santiago are worth more than their top 5 MLBers and top 5 prospects combined going forward.

 

If Rienzo becomes another Q/Santiago out-of-nowhere type pitch, Sox are looking good.

If Rienzo becomes another Q/Santiago out-of-nowhere type pitch, Sox are looking good.

I agree, I mentioned it in the game thread but Rienzo reminds me a ton of Chad Billingsley. If he can produce at 2WAR level at the back end of the rotation with the upside to go full on 4WAR that would be huge. I hope the sox spend 2-3.5m to sign Floyd to a one year deal as insurance, that would give them the ability to move Johnson or Rienzo along with the likes of Snodgress for a young bat. Lastly Hahn still needs to lock up Q and Santiago this offseason though.

That's true. I would think Sale, Q, Rienzo, and Santiago are worth more than their top 5 MLBers and top 5 prospects combined going forward.

 

I don't think they would trade Baez or Bryant for anyone other than Sale straight up.

I don't think they would trade Baez orbeing yant for anyone other than Sale straight up.

Yeah, I'm saying Sale combined with Q and Santiago is probably a lot more valuable than their combos at any level. Sale being the big difference.

Maybe you're more interested in beating the Twins and Indians in 2016?

2015 is realistic. The Tigers window will be closed and our staff should be peaking.

That's tough because I feel the Sox have a better major league squad, and are flush with good young talent in the majors. The Cubs, however, have only a couple good young major leaguers, but they are STOCKED with great young hitting prospects.

 

In conclusion I think the Sox may make it to the playoffs sooner, but the Cubs will have the longer success over the next decade.

I'll take a good staff over good hitting prospects and its not even close.

I'll take a good staff over good hitting prospects and its not even close.

 

This needs to be said more.

I went with the Cubs cause I believe the Sox remain a mess. There's a very bizarre mental mindset on our team (yes, it started with the play of the Sox in Ozzie's final year and a half). Robin has continued that mindset - weird way of losing games; very bizarre style of play; inability to win consistently at home for some reason; lift and pull mentality remaining with no bases on balls, even though we have ONE home run hitter on the roster.

Very weird team and I don't see the mindset changing enough to get us in the playoffs anytime soon. We're going to need a special manager to work with these players; don't know who that manager would be. I might try a very old baseball lifer next time. His name?? Tony LaRussa. Beg him to take over the team.

I went with the Cubs cause I believe the Sox remain a mess. There's a very bizarre mental mindset on our team (yes, it started with the play of the Sox in Ozzie's final year and a half). Robin has continued that mindset - weird way of losing games; very bizarre style of play; inability to win consistently at home for some reason; lift and pull mentality remaining with no bases on balls, even though we have ONE home run hitter on the roster.

Very weird team and I don't see the mindset changing enough to get us in the playoffs anytime soon. We're going to need a special manager to work with these players; don't know who that manager would be. I might try a very old baseball lifer next time. His name?? Tony LaRussa. Beg him to take over the team.

Pls don't lump me in with Greg.

 

I am saying Cubs because they have more young talent at the MLB level and in the minors, and more money to spend on top of that.

Sox.

 

We're not only closer now with excellent pitching (including depth) and a few young pieces on offense, but our front office has actually shown a willingness to win. Theo will probably hand out a bad contract to an offensive player this offseason but never actually make moves that make them a winning club.

I don't think they would trade Baez or Bryant for anyone other than Sale straight up.

 

They are pretty stupid if that is the case.

I said the Sox mainly because of the pitching talent, but also because the AL Central is a pretty weak division right now. Tigers are good but look headed for a decline. Indians and Royals never seem to be able to turn good farm systems into winning major league clubs, and the Twins are still years away.

I'll take a good staff over good hitting prospects and its not even close.

And let's clarify, we have a good, young, major league staff. These guys are actually producing at the major league level right now. That can't be understated.

 

The Cubs' offensive prospects are very talented, but until they prove something at the major league level they remain what they are, prospects with a high percentage of busting.

I'll take a good staff over good hitting prospects and its not even close.

 

So true.