RockRaines Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Ucla is still the premier west coast program. The right coach could make it a monster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (RockRaines @ Mar 25, 2014 -> 11:16 AM) Ucla is still the premier west coast program. The right coach could make it a monster. Pretty much. Stanford might be back, although Dawkins was close to getting fired, maybe they've finally turned the corner. And there's always a lot of talent and potential with Oregon and Washington, but nothing compares to UCLA and USC...even with SD State and New Mexico also making inroads, along with Colorado. Gonzaga will always be perceived as a mid-major. That said, Arizona has become the quasi-UCLA of the last 20 years or so, well, ever since Lute Olson left Iowa in the early 80's and came across Steve Kerr....so actually about 30 years. Edited March 25, 2014 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 25, 2014 -> 12:02 PM) So a final four run bought him five years. Exactly. I think you're missing the point. 5 years is longer than most coaches at power programs get to screw up, much less the other 5 years he was there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 I think you're missing the point. 5 years is longer than most coaches at power programs get to screw up, much less the other 5 years he was there. Mike Brey has gotten 14 years. When is his time up??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Mar 25, 2014 -> 12:49 PM) Mike Brey has gotten 14 years. When is his time up??? ND hasn't been in the category of UCLA, well, ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 The UCLA job just seems depressing, their fan base blows. I've heard people make arguments that the Marquette job is better than the Illinois job, I'm not going to get into that but Shaka is from Wisconsin so maybe that has something to do with it if he does go there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Mar 25, 2014 -> 12:45 PM) I think you're missing the point. 5 years is longer than most coaches at power programs get to screw up, much less the other 5 years he was there. He is pretty much set up to fail at a handful of programs. UCLA is one of them. He can make a lifetime out of a place like Marquette, if he wants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 ND hasn't been in the category of UCLA, well, ever. And never will be as long as Mike Brey is still there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 25, 2014 -> 12:51 PM) He is pretty much set up to fail at a handful of programs. UCLA is one of them. He can make a lifetime out of a place like Marquette, if he wants. 10 years at UCLA is going to make him more money than 20 years at most other schools. Besides, there were extenuating circumstances with Howland given that very unflattering Sports Illustrated article that came out during his last season. It's not just Howland either, Steve Lavin got 7 years despite his only Elite 8 appearance coming in his first year. He kind of forced their hand with a 10-19 year too. Jim Harrick probably would have cracked double-digits if not for NCAA violations. This isn't like Kentucky where Gillispie only gets 2 years. Edited March 25, 2014 by ZoomSlowik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Mar 25, 2014 -> 12:49 PM) Mike Brey has gotten 14 years. When is his time up??? Notre Dame isn't a school that expects Elite 8 appearances every year. That's the kind of program where you can stick around with a .650 WPT and occasional Sweet 16 appearances. Hell, Bill Carmody got 13 years with a lot less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Notre Dame isn't a school that expects Elite 8 appearances every year. That's the kind of program where you can stick around with a .650 WPT and occasional Sweet 16 appearances. Hell, Bill Carmody got 13 years with a lot less. Once in 14 years is really stretching the definition of "occasional". And let's be honest, the only reason ND got that one was by drawing Illinois in the second round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 I think most people believe it would be very odd for Shaka to take the MU job. Hes from Madison (not Milwaukee), so not a real great connection. I dont want him there, but I cant imagine anyone in any world taking the MU job over UCLA, let alone Illinois. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Mar 25, 2014 -> 01:04 PM) Once in 14 years is really stretching the definition of "occasional". And let's be honest, the only reason ND got that one was by shooting 3's out of their ass in the second round. Fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 ND's first rd game that year was against UW-Milwaukee right? Didn't they miss a layup at the end to win or did I completely make this whole thing up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 ND's first rd game that year was against UW-Milwaukee right? Didn't they miss a layup at the end to win or did I completely make this whole thing up? Yes, I think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 No discussion of the recent Knight controversy? He said the NBA "raped" college basketball. I get he has a history of saying stupid and offensive things, but I don't really see much of an issue here. Can "rape" no longer be used as a verb these days? http://thebiglead.com/2014/03/25/bobby-bob...ege-basketball/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Mar 25, 2014 -> 02:37 AM) The rapper? Ha, yeah, he's the performer this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Plus, didn't Knight make that infamous comment a long time ago about "if you're being raped, you might as well relax and enjoy it"? He should know to be more careful. Probably bitter about the end of his son's coaching career. Tom Crean would be another guy who's definitely on the ropes at Indiana, and facing an uphill battle without Vonleh to get back to post-season play, with the resurgence of Iowa, Nebraska, Minnesota, maybe Illinois and even PSU and Northwestern trending upwards. The only team that's clearly worse for next year is Purdue, and Painter's job will be in jeopardy soon enough with 5-13 finishes and Ronnie Johnson transferring. Alford had 3 NCAA appearances in 8 years at Iowa (1-3 in the tourney after promising Sweet 16's and championship caliber play) and he left after 2007 for New Mexico or he was going to be fired the following year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 At UCLA you get paid, you get prestige, you get fertile recruiting ground, but you also get the most front running fan base around. They expect you to top John Wooden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Steve Masiello has apparently been O'Leareyed by South Florida. http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball...-steve-masiello Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Mar 26, 2014 -> 06:49 AM) Steve Masiello has apparently been O'Leareyed by South Florida. http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball...-steve-masiello Apparently if you lie to the NCAA on multiple occasions and cheat, you can have a job. But lie about getting a piece of paper 15 years ago, you can't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 25, 2014 -> 10:02 AM) So a final four run bought him five years. Exactly. It turned into a disaster. Howland had so many issues with that program the last few years. It was his inability to handle the young players that got him canned (and he was able to stick around for 5 years after the struggles). X's and O's he's an excellent head coach and will be a good hire somewhere else but his last 5 years warranted for him to be fired. Alford, as much as he annoyed me at times, I typically liked him, has done a pretty nice job at year one and is finally delivering in the tourney. I have a buddy who has played under both Howland and Alford and said its night and day how much better things are under Alford. Players generally like playing for Steve. I'm curious to see if the Bruins can get past Florida. I hope they can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Mar 25, 2014 -> 10:50 AM) The UCLA job just seems depressing, their fan base blows. I've heard people make arguments that the Marquette job is better than the Illinois job, I'm not going to get into that but Shaka is from Wisconsin so maybe that has something to do with it if he does go there. Alford seems to have the momentum turning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Mar 27, 2014 -> 09:54 AM) It turned into a disaster. Howland had so many issues with that program the last few years. It was his inability to handle the young players that got him canned (and he was able to stick around for 5 years after the struggles). X's and O's he's an excellent head coach and will be a good hire somewhere else but his last 5 years warranted for him to be fired. Alford, as much as he annoyed me at times, I typically liked him, has done a pretty nice job at year one and is finally delivering in the tourney. I have a buddy who has played under both Howland and Alford and said its night and day how much better things are under Alford. Players generally like playing for Steve. I'm curious to see if the Bruins can get past Florida. I hope they can. Players love Alford. He has always been a player's coach, for better or for worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 27, 2014 -> 11:03 AM) Players love Alford. He has always been a player's coach, for better or for worse. Well, the guy covered for a rapist. He obviously has his players back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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