I can't win. Though I try. I wish an objective debate coach could come in here and deem me the winner.

 

Seriously, before this thread, I thought you were starting to get more reasonable overall. But that post about Ozzie revolutionizing the field of baseball management is just savant-level insanity.

 

Alfred E Newmann is 'what me worry?' See to those who again think I am despicably stupid, I even know trivia.

 

I’ve never thought of you as stupid. Naïve is probably a better word.

Can somebody give me play by play? Any matchups where various managers would start to play the lefty/righty game even with workable pitch counts?

 

 

That would be on you since you’re the one arguing the point.

 

Oh my god.

 

My sides.

greg be trolling

Does anyone else think "ron883" = "greg775"?

Does anyone else think "ron883" = "greg775"?

 

That would be sad beyond words if it is.

Ozzie sounds desperate for attention to me.

That would be sad beyond words if it is.

 

Give the mods more credit. They would know if for some insane reason I tried to be two people. This thread exploded but I don't think it's my fault.

This thread exploded but I don't think it's my fault.

That would be sad beyond words if it is.

 

Incredibly pathetic really.

This is relevant to our previous discussion

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/mike-mathen...usly-slow-hook/

 

In other words, Ozzie was not smart to keep his starters out that long, he was lucky they were pitching as well as they were

This is relevant to our previous discussion

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/mike-mathen...usly-slow-hook/

 

In other words, Ozzie was not smart to keep his starters out that long, he was lucky they were pitching as well as they were

 

viva la revolucionizingthegame!

Incredibly pathetic really.

 

Why are people discussing this if it's not true and has never been true? I've never exhibited such tendencies that I'd do that.

Is he dumb enough to walk away from $4 million dollars? The same guy that said he was about the money?

Why are people discussing this if it's not true and has never been true? I've never exhibited such tendencies that I'd do that.

 

For someone to create a mimic account, if true, is just sad.

This is relevant to our previous discussion

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/mike-mathen...usly-slow-hook/

 

In other words, Ozzie was not smart to keep his starters out that long, he was lucky they were pitching as well as they were

 

I don't get your point. In other words, Ozzie did something outside the box and it worked. That constitutes smart managing, genius managing, right?

I don't get your point. In other words, Ozzie did something outside the box and it worked. That constitutes smart managing, genius managing, right?

 

No, he put his pitchers at risk and gave the opposition greater opportunities to score because they'd seen the guys more often, and overall he was lucky that they didn't score more.

 

You do not understand a lot of very basic concepts.

No, he put his pitchers at risk and gave the opposition greater opportunities to score because they'd seen the guys more often, and overall he was lucky that they didn't score more.

 

You do not understand a lot of very basic concepts.

 

He just doesn't click links. If you put the table in a post that shows the incredibly overwhelming evidence that pitchers are less effective every time through the order, I think it might sink in.

No, he put his pitchers at risk and gave the opposition greater opportunities to score because they'd seen the guys more often, and overall he was lucky that they didn't score more.

 

You do not understand a lot of very basic concepts.

Is that true of every manager who lets a pitcher throw a complete game, or just Ozzie?

No, he put his pitchers at risk and gave the opposition greater opportunities to score because they'd seen the guys more often, and overall he was lucky that they didn't score more.

 

You do not understand a lot of very basic concepts.

 

With all due respect in your role as a mod, are you and others actually b****ing about the move that helped us storm through the 05 postseason? One of the best postseason runs in history??

Risk?? I'll take one postseason loss total against all those victories over risk any day of any week!

He just doesn't click links. If you put the table in a post that shows the incredibly overwhelming evidence that pitchers are less effective every time through the order, I think it might sink in.

 

Are u also second guessing his managing in the 05 postseason? If so, now I've seen everything. Yeah maybe if he'd abided by the book we'd have won every single game in that postseason instead of losing one.

I always thought one of Ozzies strengths was how he ran the pitching staff. When his starters gave him those complete games no one said it was stupid then. In fact wasnt Jerry Manuel criticized for yanking Garland consistently in the 6th and 7th innings? Ozzie would have been blasted had he removed a starter who was cruising and the bullpen got rocked.

This is the best thread of all time.

I always thought one of Ozzies strengths was how he ran the pitching staff. When his starters gave him those complete games no one said it was stupid then. In fact wasnt Jerry Manuel criticized for yanking Garland consistently in the 6th and 7th innings? Ozzie would have been blasted had he removed a starter who was cruising and the bullpen got rocked.

That was more Hawk than anything. I'm certainly not bashing the way he handled the staff in the 05 playoffs but the stuff with Garland was always overblown in my opinion.

This is the best thread of all time.

 

Co-sign. It truly is amazing.