October 30, 201312 yr QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 02:23 PM) Assuming a natural progression after his surgery, I don't think the Sox should be in a hurry to ditch Danks for cost savings. If someone wants to give us a nice offer for Danks that is one thing, but I really feel like he will be back to a mid-rotation starter this year. Even with his struggles last year, it wasn't the worst year ever. Get his fastball back to its 2010-2011 range, and the kid will be fine. Yup, that's where I'm at as well with Danks. I don't want to just dump him.
October 30, 201312 yr QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 02:27 PM) I agree with you but i don't know if I could see Hahn doing that without getting some sort of pitching back I wouldnt even need Lawrie is both Sanchez and Stroman were really in play.
October 30, 201312 yr QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 02:31 PM) Yup, that's where I'm at as well with Danks. I don't want to just dump him. That's why I think Hahn would be asking for Sanchez and/or Stroman
October 30, 201312 yr QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 02:19 PM) I would definitely be on board with a Beckham and Danks for Lawrie +. I wouldn't know what the plus would be. Lesser prospects? The problem with that trade is Toronto wouldn't be on board with it. Let's all get serious here. We all hope and most think Danks will be better next season, but he was getting lit up and is owed a ton of money. Beckham has been having almost identical problems as Lawrie, but he costs more. A trade like this makes no sense for Toronto. And if Toronto needs pitching, why are they looking to move Sanchez? None of this makes sense other than Beckham interests them, and maybe the Sox make it work for Lawrie or maybe it's for some minor leaguer Paddy likes. Edited October 30, 201312 yr by Dick Allen
October 30, 201312 yr QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 02:31 PM) Yup, that's where I'm at as well with Danks. I don't want to just dump him. I am perfectly content going into 2013 with Danks at #2 to #4 on the depth chart for the starting rotation.
October 30, 201312 yr QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 12:24 PM) Plus nothing. If the Jays eat all that salary and are still willing to give Lawrie, you take it and run with it. That's exactly what I was thinking . While I was previously concerned with Lawrie's recent injuries , I'd be more than happy to give up Danks and his salary and Beckham and please give me a 23 yr. old Lawrie. More salary off the books = better chance to sign Ellsbury. This is precisely what Hahn has shown he wants to do. ML young ready talent just like A. Garcia.
October 30, 201312 yr QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 02:33 PM) The problem with that trade is Toronto wouldn't be on board with it. Let's all get serious here. We all hope and most think Danks will be better next season, but he was getting lit up and is owed a ton of money. Beckham has been having almost identical problems as Lawrie, but he costs more. A trade like this makes no sense for Toronto. I didn't think it made sense to give up 2 top prospects for a 38 year old knuckle ball Cy Young winner. If Beckham and Danks/Santiago is what they think is best available or a better fit for their team, then I can definitely see this happening.
October 30, 201312 yr QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 02:35 PM) That's exactly what I was thinking . While I was previously concerned with Lawrie's recent injuries , I'd be more than happy to give up Danks and his salary and Beckham and please give me a 23 yr. old Lawrie. More salary off the books = better chance to sign Ellsbury. This is precisely what Hahn has shown he wants to do. ML young ready talent just like A. Garcia. An offense built around Avi Garcia, Abreu, Semein, Lawrie and Viciedo can be scary good.
October 30, 201312 yr QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 02:36 PM) I didn't think it made sense to give up 2 top prospects for a 38 year old knuckle ball Cy Young winner. If Beckham and Danks/Santiago is what they think is best available or a better fit for their team, then I can definitely see this happening. If Hahn has been offered Lawrie and something else for Beckham and Danks, he better agree to the trade before the Molly wears off. And again, why pay John Danks $15 million a year when you have one of the better pitching prospects in the game almost ready to go? Edited October 30, 201312 yr by Dick Allen
October 30, 201312 yr QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 02:38 PM) If Hahn has been offered Lawrie and something else for Beckham and Danks, he better agree to the trade before the Molly wears off. And again, why pay John Danks $15 million a year when you have one of the better pitching prospects in the game almost ready to go? I agree with you. Why are they looking for pitching when they have those 2 on the horizon? Maybe he doesn't believe their as good as prospects? Maybe he just wants to win this year and Beckham and Danks/Santiago fit that bill? Given the history of AA (Jays GM), I can see the aggressive side while Hahn restocks the farm with close to ready major league talent. Just like what he has said he's targeting the whole time. Do you see where I think this deal is possible?
October 30, 201312 yr QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 12:33 PM) The problem with that trade is Toronto wouldn't be on board with it. Let's all get serious here. We all hope and most think Danks will be better next season, but he was getting lit up and is owed a ton of money. Beckham has been having almost identical problems as Lawrie, but he costs more. A trade like this makes no sense for Toronto. And if Toronto needs pitching, why are they looking to move Sanchez? None of this makes sense other than Beckham interests them, and maybe the Sox make it work for Lawrie or maybe it's for some minor leaguer Paddy likes. As much as I want to think Danks would be involved you're 100% correct. Most of the article was pure speculation on Merkin's part trying to say Danks isn't unmovable which he pretty much is.
October 30, 201312 yr QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 02:38 PM) If Hahn has been offered Lawrie and something else for Beckham and Danks, he better agree to the trade before the Molly wears off. And again, why pay John Danks $15 million a year when you have one of the better pitching prospects in the game almost ready to go? EJ is going to be in the rotation with or with out Danks here.
October 30, 201312 yr QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 02:45 PM) I agree with you. Why are they looking for pitching when they have those 2 on the horizon? Maybe he doesn't believe their as good as prospects? Maybe he just wants to win this year and Beckham and Danks/Santiago fit that bill? Given the history of AA (Jays GM), I can see the aggressive side while Hahn restocks the farm with close to ready major league talent. Just like what he has said he's targeting the whole time. Do you see where I think this deal is possible? The article said they were interested in Beckham. Then it said the MAY have interest in Santiago or Danks. Now all the crazy trade proposals heavily slanted in the White Sox favor start pouring in. There is no way the Sox are getting Lawrie for Beckham and Danks. Edited October 30, 201312 yr by Dick Allen
October 30, 201312 yr QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 02:35 PM) That's exactly what I was thinking . While I was previously concerned with Lawrie's recent injuries , I'd be more than happy to give up Danks and his salary and Beckham and please give me a 23 yr. old Lawrie. More salary off the books = better chance to sign Ellsbury. This is precisely what Hahn has shown he wants to do. ML young ready talent just like A. Garcia. The White Sox are not going to sign Ellsbury...
October 30, 201312 yr QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 02:50 PM) The article said they were interested in Beckham. Then it said the MAY have interest in Santiago or Danks. Now all the crazy trade proposals heavily slanted in the White Sox favor start pouring in. There is no way the Sox are getting Lawrie for Beckham and Danks. I would say yes that's probably 98% true. But then what about Beckham and Santiago then? I could see that happening.
October 30, 201312 yr QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 02:49 PM) EJ is going to be in the rotation with or with out Danks here. Sale Quintana Danks Santiago Johnson Rienzo Axelrod That is how I see it right now, though guys like Snodgress and Beck are closing in. It is also assuming that we don't pull in a RHP project.
October 30, 201312 yr QUOTE (DirtySox @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 02:50 PM) The White Sox are not going to sign Ellsbury... I agree. That money would definitely go to McCann. QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 02:53 PM) Sale Quintana Danks Santiago Johnson Rienzo Axelrod That is how I see it right now, though guys like Snodgress and Beck are closing in. It is also assuming that we don't pull in a RHP project. I could see Bassitt making a statement this upcoming year.
October 30, 201312 yr QUOTE (raBBit @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 03:17 PM) http://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/thread...nchez-Stroman-) Interesting to see Toronto's fans' reactions for context. Most think they'd be foolish to give up Stroman/Sanchez for Beckham/Danks. Some think Stroman/Sanchez is sufficient for Sale. (HA!) All think Gordon Beckham is a bust and/or piece of garbage. I don't blame them about all that besides the Sale idea of course. That's not sufficient
October 30, 201312 yr Stroman and Sanchez for Sale and Beckham would undoubtedly be the most idiotic trade in the history of sports
October 30, 201312 yr QUOTE (raBBit @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 03:17 PM) http://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/thread...nchez-Stroman-) Interesting to see Toronto's fans' reactions for context. Most think they'd be foolish to give up Stroman/Sanchez for Beckham/Danks. Some think Stroman/Sanchez is sufficient for Sale. (HA!) All think Gordon Beckham is a bust and/or piece of garbage. How much money would they have to send along with Danks to get Sanchez and then you have Quintana's replacement. 1 Sale 2 Sanchez 3 free agent 4 Santiago 5. Johnson
October 30, 201312 yr QUOTE (ChiSoxFan05 @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 03:40 PM) Stroman and Sanchez for Sale and Beckham would undoubtedly be the most idiotic trade in the history of sports Absolutely lol's.
October 30, 201312 yr Trading Hector is likely dumb. Trading Danks and not eating salary would be the best thing ever. Hell, just take him.
October 30, 201312 yr QUOTE (Marty34 @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 01:40 PM) How much money would they have to send along with Danks to get Sanchez and then you have Quintana's replacement. 1 Sale 2 Sanchez 3 free agent 4 Santiago 5. Johnson Sanchez was in A+ ball last year . He would not nor might never be Quintana's replacement. If he was ML ready there's no need to try to get pitching yet thats what the BJ's want despite having 2 top 50/100 pitching prospects. If they're seriously considering a big push for 2014 they don't seem to want to wait for those guys to develop.
October 30, 201312 yr QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 01:50 PM) Sanchez was in A+ ball last year . He would not nor might never be Quintana's replacement. If he was ML ready there's no need to try to get pitching yet thats what the BJ's want despite having 2 top 50/100 pitching prospects. If they're seriously considering a big push for 2014 they don't seem to want to wait for those guys to develop. Ding Ding. People need to realize that the Blue Jays wouldn't trade Sanchez if they were convinced he was going to be Quintana or better. It would make no sense. The Blue Jays have a few years here where they have a pretty solid core locked up and think they can compete. They are willing to try and add pieces for that window using some of their prospects.
October 30, 201312 yr QUOTE (iamshack @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 03:52 PM) Ding Ding. People need to realize that the Blue Jays wouldn't trade Sanchez if they were convinced he was going to be Quintana or better. It would make no sense. The Blue Jays have a few years here where they have a pretty solid core locked up and think they can compete. They are willing to try and add pieces for that window using some of their prospects. Depends. If they think he will be better, but it is 2016 when it might happen, that could change their opinion.
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