I was reading a Japanese baseball site and I saw this. it was very earth shattering article.

talk about abusing pitchers.

 

 

Pretty much all the commentary in the North American media has been that Tanaka

throwing 160 pitches in a start (a loss no less), and then 15 in relief the next day is, at best,

a bit of a question mark, and, at worst, a sign of abuse or overuse.

Def dodged a bullet now he's almost certainly not going to be the pitcher the Yankees though they were getting and he has that awful poison pill opt out/in clause that means the Yanks are screwed either way.

Arod and Tanaka = double dose of trouble plus miles of bad road.

I was reading a Japanese baseball site and I saw this. it was very earth shattering article.

talk about abusing pitchers.

 

 

Pretty much all the commentary in the North American media has been that Tanaka

throwing 160 pitches in a start (a loss no less), and then 15 in relief the next day is, at best,

a bit of a question mark, and, at worst, a sign of abuse or overuse.

 

It seems to be a different type of game in Japan. A couple of high school pitchers threw a lot more than that this past weekend. Taiga Matsui, of Chukyo High School, threw 709 pitches over 50 innings in the semifinal match of the National High School Baseball Tournament which lasted fours days. His opponent Jukiya Ishioka, from Sotoku High School, who also lasted all 50 innings, threw 689 pitches.

 

It wasn't all that long ago when an American pitcher might have thrown 160 pitches either.

This is one of those examples where the contract is important. Those of us that caution against these deals sometimes get lambasted for "being concerned over Jerry's wallet," but there's a good chance we're going to be able to see the worst case play out right in front of us. Great player, bad contract, and the Yankees may get nailed gambling on him opting out.

 

Or maybe he misses a year and comes back and is the best pitcher they've had since CC. Who knows.

This is one of those examples where the contract is important. Those of us that caution against these deals sometimes get lambasted for "being concerned over Jerry's wallet," but there's a good chance we're going to be able to see the worst case play out right in front of us. Great player, bad contract, and the Yankees may get nailed gambling on him opting out.

 

Or maybe he misses a year and comes back and is the best pitcher they've had since CC. Who knows.

If you focus on the big picture, the Yankees brought Tanaka in along with a couple other big additions from veteran players last offseason in order to win this year. He had a good run, but they aren't winning this season and they're missing the playoffs to boot.

 

Tanaka would have to do a whole lot to make up for this season, because they aren't just going to take a hit from him, they're also taking hits from Ellsbury and Beltran who are going to keep getting older and less reliable from this point.

There is nothing to say that if Tanaka signed with the White Sox, he would still be having elbow problems.

It seems to be a different type of game in Japan. A couple of high school pitchers threw a lot more than that this past weekend. Taiga Matsui, of Chukyo High School, threw 709 pitches over 50 innings in the semifinal match of the National High School Baseball Tournament which lasted fours days. His opponent Jukiya Ishioka, from Sotoku High School, who also lasted all 50 innings, threw 689 pitches.

 

It wasn't all that long ago when an American pitcher might have thrown 160 pitches either.

 

FWIW, that was a modified version of baseball in which they use a rubberized ball that doesn't travel very far. Tough to say what that would mean in terms of taxing the arm

Everyone shouldn't be suprised the Sox weren't going to get him. It was talk and nothing more. No luck there. The real luck was when the Sox outbid the Cubs on that one Jap player and he chose the Cubs.

Everyone shouldn't be suprised the Sox weren't going to get him. It was talk and nothing more. No luck there. The real luck was when the Sox outbid the Cubs on that one Jap player and he chose the Cubs.

 

I'd say it was a little more than talk since they did offer him a contract, but they were blown away by the yankees.

It seems to be a different type of game in Japan. A couple of high school pitchers threw a lot more than that this past weekend. Taiga Matsui, of Chukyo High School, threw 709 pitches over 50 innings in the semifinal match of the National High School Baseball Tournament which lasted fours days. His opponent Jukiya Ishioka, from Sotoku High School, who also lasted all 50 innings, threw 689 pitches.

 

It wasn't all that long ago when an American pitcher might have thrown 160 pitches either.

 

that quote you highlighted was from the article.

 

having pitchers throwing that much is just stupid.

that quote you highlighted was from the article.

 

having pitchers throwing that much is just stupid.

 

I wonder if this will damage looking to the Asian market for prospect, meaning pitching

prospects.

If you focus on the big picture, the Yankees brought Tanaka in along with a couple other big additions from veteran players last offseason in order to win this year. He had a good run, but they aren't winning this season and they're missing the playoffs to boot.

 

Tanaka would have to do a whole lot to make up for this season, because they aren't just going to take a hit from him, they're also taking hits from Ellsbury and Beltran who are going to keep getting older and less reliable from this point.

 

Don't forget McCann as well.

I wonder if this will damage looking to the Asian market for prospect, meaning pitching

prospects.

 

 

As long as Darvish and Ryu and Iwakuma remain effective, not to mention that underhyped pitcher for the Orioles, Wei-Yin Chen, not completely.

 

Yu Darvish, when healthy, is one of the best 5-7 pitchers in all of baseball. Almost nobody hyped Iwakuma or noticed when the Mariners signed him.

 

 

I wonder if this will damage looking to the Asian market for prospect, meaning pitching

prospects.

No. There is still talent. However, hopefully it bring the insane process of paying pitchers who have done nothing in the MLB crazy amounts of money.

As long as Darvish and Ryu and Iwakuma remain effective, not to mention that underhyped pitcher for the Orioles, Wei-Yin Chen, not completely.

 

Yu Darvish, when healthy, is one of the best 5-7 pitchers in all of baseball. Almost nobody hyped Iwakuma or noticed when the Mariners signed him.

This further proves the point about the length and amount of the contracts.

It wasn't all that long ago when an American pitcher might have thrown 160 pitches either.

Who, besides Randy Johnson in recent decades.

This further proves the point about the length and amount of the contracts.

 

can you pls explain. are you ref salary contract or contracts from int'l free agents?

 

thanks

can you pls explain. are you ref salary contract or contracts from int'l free agents?

 

thanks

Any pitcher. Never give pitchers long term deals. It rarely works out and puts teams in budget problems. It's especially true for international FA because you have no idea if they will be successful

Who, besides Randy Johnson in recent decades.

 

High school or American Legion this past summer...can't remember the exact circumstance, but he wasn't an MLB draft prospect.

 

Any pitcher. Never give pitchers long term deals. It rarely works out and puts teams in budget problems. It's especially true for international FA because you have no idea if they will be successful

 

Unless it's Chris Sale for extreme under market value.

 

I still don't understand why more people don't complain/comment about possible under use as a problem. I mean pitchers in the MLB and MiLB are now on schedules where they are used the least amount ever any pitchers in the history of baseball have ever been used, yet injury rates only increase.

 

I guess another part of the problem is that pitchers are also getting stronger and bigger and throwing harder than ever before and that could be a cause as to why.

 

It's so complex too because everyone is different and there are people who can go out there and throw forever and be fine, and others who seem to have a limit on how many pitches they can throw until their elbow blows up.

Unless it's Chris Sale for extreme under market value.

 

 

Unless it's someone like a Buehrle or Quintana with a fairly smooth, not max effort delivery.

Edited September 2, 201411 yr by caulfield12

Unless it's Chris Sale for extreme under market value.

Sorry, when I replied I forgot the big money variable comment.

I always thought Tanaka would have 2/3 great years before probably falling apart, I guess he might not even make it that far. Too bad.