http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/arizona...ade-talk-110214

 

He has 3 years/40 million left on his contract. 31 years old, but has struggled the past 2 seasons since signing that extension. He is a lefty bat but I don't think he's that much of a upgrade than Flowers at this point.

 

What are your guys thoughts?

The Sox aren't going to be paying big for marginal upgrades. They walked away from this exact scenario last year after McCann went to NYY.

Having lived in AZ the past 6 years and watching Miggy play a lot, I don't mind the idea.

 

1) We would not want to give up much. A few mid grade prospects at most plus Flowers of Phegley.

 

2) That contract could become immovable after another bad 1st half. 2 years 27 Million for a 32 year old washed up catcher would be a serious drain on our resources in 2 should be contending seasons. This would be my biggest hangup on this decision. If the DBacks would throw in 10 million, which they never will, then 3/30 makes perfect sense and isnt such a risk.

 

Since the DBacks will need something of value for Montero (new GM doesn't want to pull a KTowers immediately with a fan favorite), and they will never include any $ in the trade (they are cheap and cash strapped), I don't see it happening.

http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/arizona...ade-talk-110214

 

He has 3 years/40 million left on his contract. 31 years old, but has struggled the past 2 seasons since signing that extension. He is a lefty bat but I don't think he's that much of a upgrade than Flowers at this point.

 

What are your guys thoughts?

 

F*** no

F*** no

 

 

Why not may i ask?

Wrong side of 30, and numbers are regressing...and the money. Pass.

 

Hopefully the Sox have two types of targets- young talent and 1-2 year deals for veterans that could hopefully catch lightning in a bottle.

So we'd be taking on a very large amount of salary, giving up talent, and getting a marginal upgrade over last year's performance? Not exactly giving me the hard sell is this?

High priced declining veteran. Pass.

His "declining veteran numbers" are still leagues better than the Sox production at the position over the previous 2 seasons.

 

Based on fangraphs estimated value and his contract, if AZ sends along half his salary, it is a very worthwhile upgrade over the Sox current AAAA catcher "logjam"

His "declining veteran numbers" are still leagues better than the Sox production at the position over the previous 2 seasons.

 

Based on fangraphs estimated value and his contract, if AZ sends along half his salary, it is a very worthwhile upgrade over the Sox current AAAA catcher "logjam"

So what valuable piece are the white sox giving up in exchange for both the player and $20 million over 3 years?

For reasons already stated, no thank you. There are much bigger holes to fill than catcher.

His "declining veteran numbers" are still leagues better than the Sox production at the position over the previous 2 seasons.

 

Based on fangraphs estimated value and his contract, if AZ sends along half his salary, it is a very worthwhile upgrade over the Sox current AAAA catcher "logjam"

Flowers is handling the position defensively. Montero would be an incremental upgrade, and we'd still be lousy offensively at catcher. And of course, I 'm sure people want to send a good prospect along for this marginal upgrade.

Why the love of high priced declining veterans? Because they are obtainable? Of course they are obtainable. Danks is one of those - he's obtainable. But would you want your team trading for John Danks?

Edited November 2, 201411 yr by GreenSox

Flowers is handling the position defensively. Montero would be an incremental upgrade, and we'd still be lousy offensively at catcher. And of course, I 'm sure people want to send a good prospect along for this marginal upgrade.

Why the love of high priced declining veterans? Because they are obtainable? Of course they are obtainable. Danks is one of those - he's obtainable. But would you want your team trading for John Danks?

Says the guy who wants Alex Rios back.

Flowers is handling the position defensively. Montero would be an incremental upgrade, and we'd still be lousy offensively at catcher. And of course, I 'm sure people want to send a top prospect along for this marginal upgrade.

Why the love of high priced declining veterans? Because they are obtainable? Of course they are obtainable. Danks is one of those - he's obtainable. But would you want your team trading for John Danks?

Well said GreenSox. Flowers' overall game made big strides in 2014, is just going on 29 and much cheaper than Montero. Besides, Montero does not have magic glasses!

The last time Montero had the BABIP luck Flowers did last season, he was worth 4.6 WAR, and that probably underestimated him by a lot because he's a great framer

 

Steamer has him projected for 3 WAR (again, consider framing) and Flowers for 0.9 (framing to be considered here too but not as much)

 

He'd be an unquestionable upgrade

We could trade them Danks for him......

The last time Montero had the BABIP luck Flowers did last season, he was worth 4.6 WAR, and that probably underestimated him by a lot because he's a great framer

 

Steamer has him projected for 3 WAR (again, consider framing) and Flowers for 0.9 (framing to be considered here too but not as much)

 

He'd be an unquestionable upgrade

 

Eh, he hasn't exactly had BAD luck the past two years. That's too much money to risk on a two-year bounceback play for me.

Eh, he hasn't exactly had BAD luck the past two years. That's too much money to risk on a two-year bounceback play for me.

It says more about Flowers than it does Montero. I'm just reminding people that Normal Luck Tyler Flowers is still probably a bad player. Obviously any Montero deal would depend on how much money they send and who we send.

It says more about Flowers than it does Montero. I'm just reminding people that Normal Luck Tyler Flowers is still probably a bad player. Obviously any Montero deal would depend on how much money they send and who we send.

 

I'm with you there. I still think that C is the easiest big upgrade for us to make on the position side, after LF.

http://nbc.rotoworld.com/headlines/mlb/451...-miguel-montero Supposedly Sox and Cubs among others in on him. David Kaplan just spoke of his "source" and reported it on his radio show too for both teams.

Listed on white sox website about sox looking into Miguel Montero also. http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/2014/11/21/...-miguel-montero

Anyone else thinking a potential three team deal between the Dodgers, Diamondbacks and Sox? Something involving Montero and Alexei somehow with the Dodgers giving up some top prospects?

Montero probably can't hit anymore, but White Sox catchers can't hit, so if he calls a good game, his reputation as a great pitch framer could come in really handy. He is expensive.

Edited November 21, 201411 yr by Dick Allen

Not much of a upgrade forget it.

We don't know a 100 percent montero can't hit again. We do know the sox catchers can't hit to begin with. One stat I didn't realize is flowers struck out 159 times last year. We need to try to upgrade that spot if possible. Now I could possibly see a danks for montero swap. The dbacks are pretty desperate for pitching. Montero has had 2 down seasons in a row and his 40 million over the next 3 seasons is a sunk cost as in danks 28 million for 2 yrs is with us. If the dbacks are tying to ask for something better then the likes of danks then they are going to eating a ton of money.