a player has 1 bad year and he's pretty much dead to this board. Bruce had a fairly serious knee injury and it affected him all year. You can't just pretend like the guy didn't have an OPS above .800 the 3 years before last. If he was 34 it would be a serious concern, but he's freaking 27 and people are saying things like "deteriorate and decline"? There is such a thing as a down year.

he's a good hitter. That's all. And he has the same weaknesses that have plagued the Sox for years (not good OBP; Ks a lot). And it will take the Swisher trade to get him and that was a horrendous overpay even had Swisher performed. He's not worth 2 top prospects when healthy, just like Swisher wasn't. And top prospects remain in short supply with the Sox.

Lind had an OPS in the 800s....what did Milwaukee pay for him? What did the Sox get for Carlos Lee and his 850+ OPS?

And then there's the injury - he had surgery early last year and did not recover well. That's a huge risk How much should he be discounted because of that? And 2 top prospects is FULL value when healthy, not an injury discount. he's never been an elite ballplayer.

 

The foundation is nowhere near ready to force trades like that.

Edited November 21, 201411 yr by GreenSox

I llike Jay Bruce and would love to see him on the Sox. But, unless the Sox get back another ML pitcher, I would very much dislike giving up Quintana. Q is a very good pitcher who is extremely cheap. He's more valuable than just Jay Bruce.

 

as someone else said, i am very skeptical of this info. however, the sox

will need to use someone |s| to get a trade done. a trade who can help

the team get those missing pieces that the sox can't address thru FA's.

as someone else said, i am very skeptical of this info. however, the sox

will need to use someone |s| to get a trade done. a trade who can help

the team get those missing pieces that the sox can't address thru FA's.

but if they're willing to take on payroll, I imagine you can find a "salary dump" type situation with another team and don't have to give up Q.

 

With common trend here, intrigued by Bruce, but not for Q, unless Sox are going to make a crazy move for a SP.

but if they're willing to take on payroll, I imagine you can find a "salary dump" type situation with another team and don't have to give up Q.

 

With common trend here, intrigued by Bruce, but not for Q, unless Sox are going to make a crazy move for a SP.

bingo

as someone else said, i am very skeptical of this info. however, the sox

will need to use someone |s| to get a trade done. a trade who can help

the team get those missing pieces that the sox can't address thru FA's.

I believe that there are talks happeninng. Bucket has always been a great source for inside info. I just hope that if a deal does happen, the Sox get back Bruce and a pitcher if they're going to give up Q.

 

Jay Bruce fills a need - left-handed power-hitting outfielder. But you can't create another hole by sending off a cheap, very good left-handed pitcher unless you're filling Q's spot with another good pitcher under team control for a few years.

but if they're willing to take on payroll, I imagine you can find a "salary dump" type situation with another team and don't have to give up Q.

 

With common trend here, intrigued by Bruce, but not for Q, unless Sox are going to make a crazy move for a SP.

Scherzer?

but if they're willing to take on payroll, I imagine you can find a "salary dump" type situation with another team and don't have to give up Q.

 

With common trend here, intrigued by Bruce, but not for Q, unless Sox are going to make a crazy move for a SP.

Q with his contract if he continues to put up 4 WAR seasons is almost irreplaceable. It would cost probably $10-15 million a year more just to hopefully replace his level, plus what you would have to pay Bruce.

 

It makes zero sense. Bruce's best season wasn't as good WAR-wise than Q in 2014, and that was several years ago. I would imagine he can still hit, and his fielding probably took a hit because of injury, but man, Jose Quintana, if you really look at it, is one of the best starters in baseball right now and is ridiculously cheap. There are better ways to take advantage of financial flexibility than giving that away.

 

Hahn as KW's assistant was responsible for signing Q as a minor league free agent. And for signing him to this couldn't be more team friendly extension. There is no chance he would piss that away unless maybe someone like Bryce Harper became available.

Edited November 21, 201411 yr by Dick Allen

Q with his contract if he continues to put up 4 WAR seasons is almost irreplaceable. It would cost probably $10-15 million a year more just to hopefully replace his level, plus what you would have to pay Bruce.

 

It makes zero sense. Bruce's best season wasn't as good WAR-wise than Q in 2014, and that was several years ago. I would imagine he can still hit, and his fielding probably took a hit because of injury, but man, Jose Quintana, if you really look at it, is one of the best starters in baseball right now and is ridiculously cheap. There are better ways to take advantage of financial flexibility than giving that away.

 

Hahn as KW's assistant was responsible for signing Q as a minor league free agent. And for signing him to this couldn't be more team friendly extension. There is no chance he would piss that away unless maybe someone like Bryce Harper became available.

On the free agent market right now Quintana would get a similar contract to where Lester is looking at, in the 7/$150 range or more. Your numbers are about 1/2 of what it would actually cost to replace him.

On the free agent market right now Quintana would get a similar contract to where Lester is looking at, in the 7/$150 range or more. Your numbers are about 1/2 of what it would actually cost to replace him.

You are probably right. Yoan Moncada with his bonus and penalty, will cost a team more money before he puts on a uniform than Jose Quintana will cost the White Sox the next 6 seasons.

On the free agent market right now Quintana would get a similar contract to where Lester is looking at, in the 7/$150 range or more. Your numbers are about 1/2 of what it would actually cost to replace him.

Adam Dunn is just wearing a Jay Bruce costume. Beware of .250 hitters with high K totals coming from the NL to the AL unless we get Cueto (FA in 2016) and Chapman (FA in 2017) also straight up for Q (OK throw in Viciedo)

Edited November 21, 201411 yr by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

Hopefully this little tidbit doesn't get bucket into too much trouble. Soxtalk is a pretty popular site. Also hope it isn't too steep for better or worse. (More so just talk)

If Q is traded it would be for something like

 

Votto/Hamilton/Latos

 

Young talent AND over priced talent, that has talent

 

Q is cheap and good, there would very few players he would be traded for straight up and Jay Bruce is not one of them.

 

You could argue Cueto/Bruce for Quintana would be a good move

The whiff of Q being involved in trade discussions makes me sad. Like others have said, you better be BLOWN AWAY to consider it.

I can say this much - I don't know if I will get any work done while the winter meetings are going on. The early talks and rumors have already reduced my productiveness.

I believe that there are talks happeninng. Bucket has always been a great source for inside info. I just hope that if a deal does happen, the Sox get back Bruce and a pitcher if they're going to give up Q.

 

Jay Bruce fills a need - left-handed power-hitting outfielder. But you can't create another hole by sending off a cheap, very good left-handed pitcher unless you're filling Q's spot with another good pitcher under team control for a few years.

 

 

with all due respect to Bucket, i was not inferring about him.

 

the rest you wrote is right on.

On the free agent market right now Quintana would get a similar contract to where Lester is looking at, in the 7/$150 range or more. Your numbers are about 1/2 of what it would actually cost to replace him.

 

most definitely i think the way the market is it more like

22-27 mil per

On the free agent market right now Quintana would get a similar contract to where Lester is looking at, in the 7/$150 range or more. Your numbers are about 1/2 of what it would actually cost to replace him.

 

The only reason Q would get as few as 7 years, is if he wanted another shot at FA. He could possibly push 10 if he was on the open market with as young as he is.

Chicago ---> Cincinnati

Jose Quintana

 

Chicago ----> Philadelphia

Chris Beck

 

Cincinnati ----> Chicago

Jay Bruce

 

Philadelphia ----> Chicago

Cole Hamels + cash

 

Cincinnati ----> Philadelphia

Prospects

Chicago ---> Cincinnati

Jose Quintana

 

Chicago ----> Philadelphia

Chris Beck

 

Cincinnati ----> Chicago

Jay Bruce

 

Philadelphia ----> Chicago

Cole Hamels + cash

 

Cincinnati ----> Philadelphia

Prospects

 

That would add like $35m to the payroll, and all we would net is Jay Bruce. Cole Hamels/Quintana is essentially a lateral move.

Chicago ---> Cincinnati

Jose Quintana

 

Chicago ----> Philadelphia

Chris Beck

 

Cincinnati ----> Chicago

Jay Bruce

 

Philadelphia ----> Chicago

Cole Hamels + cash

 

Cincinnati ----> Philadelphia

Prospects

 

you really worked hard to do this.

Chicago ---> Cincinnati

Jose Quintana

 

Chicago ----> Philadelphia

Chris Beck

 

Cincinnati ----> Chicago

Jay Bruce

 

Philadelphia ----> Chicago

Cole Hamels + cash

 

Cincinnati ----> Philadelphia

Prospects

Wouldn't it be easier, and more cost effective to sign a free agent? I know he's a sexier name, but is Hamels really a better pitcher than Q? Why would you want to take on his money , or at least a decent percentage, for Jay Bruce and his money?

 

Everyone is saying don't pay $10 million a year for Andrew Miller, but are making proposals in this thread that make the cost of Jay Bruce essentially $25 million a year, if not more.

That would add like $35m to the payroll, and all we would net is Jay Bruce. Cole Hamels/Quintana is essentially a lateral move.

 

No, Philly would have to send significant cash, so not adding anywhere near $35M.

I'll just basically say that I'd prefer they avoid trading Quintana under any circumstances, but will reserve judgment on that.

Chris Cotillo ‏@ChrisCotillo 30m30 minutes ago

 

#Reds are reportedly listening on Jay Bruce, with the #Padres interested: http://sbnation.com/e/7023430

No, Philly would have to send significant cash, so not adding anywhere near $35M.

How much would they be sending?

Hammels $22.5 million

Bruce $12 million

Q $3.4 million

 

Even if they sent $10 million a year, which is beyond outrageous and they wouldn't do it, you make Jay Bruce a $21 million a year player.

 

 

Edited November 21, 201411 yr by Dick Allen