It's been said before but the Cubs are an anomaly. There is statistical evidence that suggests that the Cubs are the only team which draws in correlation with the price of beer, not wins and losses.

Quoted for emphasis, because he still either doesn't get it or conveniently ignores it.

What other team has cracked their model?

No other team is able to market losing nearly as well. Whoever came up with "loveable losers" was a genius.

Quoted for emphasis, because he still either doesn't get it or conveniently ignores it.

 

Handwaving the truth away doesn't change the impact it has on how the two franchises do business. Because of the differences in fan bases, the White Sox will never be able to do what the Cubs did. Those two things are absolutely 100% related.

 

It also doesn't have to be that way, but then again, Sox fans take pride in emptying their stadium.

Handwaving the truth away doesn't change the impact it has on how the two franchises do business. Because of the differences in fan bases, the White Sox will never be able to do what the Cubs did. Those two things are absolutely 100% related.

 

It also doesn't have to be that way, but then again, Sox fans take pride in emptying their stadium.

Who's handwaving? You're the one who consistently compares them, when nobody can operate like the Cubs do.

Who's handwaving? You're the one who consistently compares them, when nobody can operate like the Cubs do.

 

No. The Sox fans don't allow the team to operate that way.

Sox fans take pride in emptying the stadium when the team sucks because we care more about pure baseball than babes bedecked in bedazzling bikinis blitzing back beers before Bryant bats.

Edited October 14, 201510 yr by caulfield12

Sox fans take pride in emptying the stadium when the team sucks because we care more about pure baseball than babes in bikinis blitzing back beers before Bryant bats.

 

No Sox fans care only about winning baseball, not pure baseball. They don't go just to watch baseball. They go to watch winning baseball.

Sox fans take pride in emptying the stadium when the team sucks because we care more about pure baseball than babes bedecked in bedazzling bikinis blitzing back beers before Bryant bats.

 

Bingo right on the money.

 

Mark

Sox fans take pride in emptying the stadium when the team sucks because we care more about pure baseball than babes bedecked in bedazzling bikinis blitzing back beers before Bryant bats.

 

A+ alliteration

Handwaving the truth away doesn't change the impact it has on how the two franchises do business. Because of the differences in fan bases, the White Sox will never be able to do what the Cubs did. Those two things are absolutely 100% related.

 

It also doesn't have to be that way, but then again, Sox fans take pride in emptying their stadium.

What, put up a record well below .500 for 5 straight seasons and miss the playoffs constantly for nearly a decade?

 

Too. Late.

 

Already did that.

 

Yeah, tiny bit different, 4 losing seasons out of 5 instead of 5 straight, but with a longer playoff drought. If the White Sox did something like that it would totally destroy the franchise.

No. The Sox fans don't allow the team to operate that way.

 

Fine. Let's get creative.

 

Kickstarter or gofundme drive to acquire the next Emilio Bonifacio or Gordon Beckham.

 

That will surely draw some attention from the front office.

No. The Sox fans don't allow the team to operate that way.

I could come up with a lot more examples of teams who can't operate that way than you can cite teams who can. If only they all played in a national landmark, with a ready supply of tourists to help fill it even if they're bad.

 

Who's handwaving? You're the one who consistently compares them, when nobody can operate like the Cubs do.

 

i disagree. many teams can do that and do operate as the northsiders. the problem is the fans, ths so called fans who wants to argue the point will always point to the built in excusee, the sox don't have the money.

I could come up with a lot more examples of teams who can't operate that way than you can cite teams who can. If only they all played in a national landmark, with a ready supply of tourists to help fill it even if they're bad.

 

Cardinals are closest...St. Louis Arch, Dred Scott Courthouse, Grant's Farm, Union Station, Mississippi River.

 

Stadiums, not so much.

 

But Las Vegas and Florida get terrible support for baseball.

 

 

Let's not forget the Arizona transplants/snowbirds for spring training as well, another Cubs' revenue source.

What, put up a record well below .500 for 5 straight seasons and miss the playoffs constantly for nearly a decade?

 

Too. Late.

 

Already did that.

 

Yeah, tiny bit different, 4 losing seasons out of 5 instead of 5 straight, but with a longer playoff drought. If the White Sox did something like that it would totally destroy the franchise.

 

and if they, the sox FO doesn't do something drastic they are on the verge of doing just that. blaming the fans, as they blamed the fans for the sox not having the money, blaming the fans for not coming out to the games so they can get the money, blaming the fans for being forced to get player xyz b/c the org doesn't have the money.

 

how many times are the sox management going to blame the fans....???

 

this team has a great and small group of dedicated fans, this group of owners had a chance to change the fan based for baseball in chi, not once but 3x's and screwed it up.

 

however this last time, this one may be the big one, if the northside has any success in the playoff, keep picking up and signing int't fa, surpassing the so call salary limits, sign some major FA's and lastly have the same owners willing to spend to front the money to improve the overall product. they will get even bigger and better and have that fan base become to become the next sport product of chi right after the hawks.

 

all the while the sox owners are sitting on their arse debating on whether the fans will come out and how not to spend money that eat away their profits.

Edited October 14, 201510 yr by LDF

When the Cubs last made the playoffs, 2 years in a row, "sustained success", they won exactly 0 playoff games.

What, put up a record well below .500 for 5 straight seasons and miss the playoffs constantly for nearly a decade?

 

Too. Late.

 

Already did that.

 

Yeah, tiny bit different, 4 losing seasons out of 5 instead of 5 straight, but with a longer playoff drought. If the White Sox did something like that it would totally destroy the franchise.

 

the missing ingredient in this equation is that the Cubs addressed their suckage…as did the Bears.. as did the BlackHawks… the White Sox? they will continue to ride 2005…it's an embarrassment….

 

There can't be a franchise is sports that is more out of touch with it's fan base than the White Sox… Ive gotten a good half dozen mass marketing emails from the Sox pimping their party suites, or this and that.. and I always respond with.. "you guys figure out a way to put a better product on the field and I'll be happy to come to park and spend my money" ..their response? more generic marketing emails…

 

The entire franchise needs to be re invented.. that's the only hope of the Sox maintaining any relevancy in this town….in reality the chances of that are slim to none.. intstead, Reinsdorf and his band of crusty old investors will try to trot out the same old same old with Kenny Williams and Hahn tap dancing their way into spinning positive in the media with some psycho babble about this or that convoluted plan…

 

Bottom line..Going back now to the end of 2012.. things have not worked out.. and the Sox have no answers.. do they really believe that surrounding Abreu and Sale with a cavalcade of scrubs is gonna bring people to the park…?

 

 

 

 

LOL. Another bad fan identified. Forward his IP address to security@chisox.com

 

the missing ingredient in this equation is that the Cubs addressed their suckage…as did the Bears.. as did the BlackHawks… the White Sox? they will continue to ride 2005…it's an embarrassment….

 

There can't be a franchise is sports that is more out of touch with it's fan base than the White Sox… Ive gotten a good half dozen mass marketing emails from the Sox pimping their party suites, or this and that.. and I always respond with.. "you guys figure out a way to put a better product on the field and I'll be happy to come to park and spend my money" ..their response? more generic marketing emails…

 

The entire franchise needs to be re invented.. that's the only hope of the Sox maintaining any relevancy in this town….in reality the chances of that are slim to none.. intstead, Reinsdorf and his band of crusty old investors will try to trot out the same old same old with Kenny Williams and Hahn tap dancing their way into spinning positive in the media with some psycho babble about this or that convoluted plan…

 

Bottom line..Going back now to the end of 2012.. things have not worked out.. and the Sox have no answers.. do they really believe that surrounding Abreu and Sale with a cavalcade of scrubs is gonna bring people to the park…?

They did sell more tickets than last season, and an overwhelming majority of posters here thought the moves they made last winter made them a contender if you look at the prediction thread.

Not a huge fan of PECOTA but I think they had them at 78 wins.

Not a huge fan of PECOTA but I think they had them at 78 wins.

Didn't they have the Royals at about 72? One of them did.

Not a huge fan of PECOTA but I think they had them at 78 wins.

Also had us scoring 81 more runs than we did, our record might look similar to what they predicted but the path we took to get there was very different, pretty much no one on the offensive end sans Eaton lived up to their projections.

 

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/is-201...ections-failed/

 

But according to this article projection systems have been getting steadily worse over the years.

They did sell more tickets than last season, and an overwhelming majority of posters here thought the moves they made last winter made them a contender if you look at the prediction thread.

 

yeah and i believe i was the worst one predicting something like 90+ wins.

 

but no matter what, for my defense, if one would take away that horrible start of the season, it may be a different look.

 

also remember just going and saying add so many wins and subtract the loses. this is the record. that is not the whole picture. it adds but the emotions involve in the winning and the attitude would have change, then down the line different things would also change , esp in shark pitching right after the ASG.

 

but oh well, it didn't happen and i really hate the what if scenario .

Also had us scoring 81 more runs than we did, our record might look similar to what they predicted but the path we took to get there was very different, pretty much no one on the offensive end sans Eaton lived up to their projections.

 

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/is-201...ections-failed/

 

But according to this article projection systems have been getting steadily worse over the years.

 

 

Yes, I saw something about that last spring. They were getting better, then fell off a cliff. I think it was 2014 where if you predicted everyone to finish 81-81, you would have been more accurate than one of fangraphs or PECOTA.

 

I wouldn't concern myself too much with those projections. For fun they are fine, but to take seriously, IMO too many things happen that cannot be anticipated or built in to a model. For individuals, sure, but not for teams.

this place makes my head spin. I can't keep all the stat proponents and detractors straight. whatever supports their argument I guess.