With the shortage of 3B, he could probably make himself some cash money if he figured out how to be decent there.

Easier said than done

With the shortage of 3B, he could probably make himself some cash money if he figured out how to be decent there.

 

and the main point is, the sox fo will know or determine if he can play 3b.

WAR is a cumulative stat, so you can't compare Walker's to Sanchez's or Johnson's because they didn't get as much playing time.

 

Sanchez's war was negative because of his atrocious home/first half hitting. He seemed to figure it out by the end of the year. If given a full season, I think he could put up a positive WAR.

 

Actually no. He hit .323 in July, .247 in August and .171 for Sept/Oct.

 

Below average defender on the wrong side of 30? No thanks.

 

 

 

 

Am I the only one hoping Micah's defense comes around and he is the starting 2nd basemen next year?

 

Read that he's taking up boxing to improve his footwork.

Am I the only one hoping Micah's defense comes around and he is the starting 2nd basemen next year?

 

Read that he's taking up boxing to improve his footwork.

 

 

How about the rocks that he has for hands?

Or the glass he has for a body

You are basically signing Walker to a 2 year deal for, let's say, $22 million PLUS giving up whatever it takes to get him which is probably 2 or 3 legit prospects. So a total waste if the Sox don't make a run in the playoffs in '16 or '17. Why would you do that instead of just paying money to Murphy or Kendrick. Also, at some point you're going to need to have some cheap homegrown talent filter onto the team at some positions.

 

 

You'd be giving up on Sanchez (and Micah) who is already a plus defender who showed big improvement with the bat throughout the minors once he got more than a season of experience. You can't fill an ENTIRE team with medium-quality, expensive free agents/several year veterans (LaRoche, Melky, Walker, Freese, Asdrubal, etc.)

 

 

How about the rocks that he has for hands?

 

Punching things is sure to soften em up.

No the Sox should not have any interest. He is not a long term solution and the cost would not equal the loss in long term value for the franchise.

You are basically signing Walker to a 2 year deal for, let's say, $22 million PLUS giving up whatever it takes to get him which is probably 2 or 3 legit prospects. So a total waste if the Sox don't make a run in the playoffs in '16 or '17. Why would you do that instead of just paying money to Murphy or Kendrick. Also, at some point you're going to need to have some cheap homegrown talent filter onto the team at some positions.

 

 

You'd be giving up on Sanchez (and Micah) who is already a plus defender who showed big improvement with the bat throughout the minors once he got more than a season of experience. You can't fill an ENTIRE team with medium-quality, expensive free agents/several year veterans (LaRoche, Melky, Walker, Freese, Asdrubal, etc.)

 

ok maybe i am missing something. walker as it stand is making 8 mil and is in his final yr in arb. he is a fa in 17. so we are talking 1 yr and plus prospects to get him. depending on the prospects. who know.

 

a fa for 3b is a minimum of a 5 yr contract, and at what cost?? trey and whatever prospects for 3b will be held back. let alone the cost of the contract at which someone already mention that the sox are or will be limited.

 

next the state of this system was not done in the last few yrs but was done b/c of the ineptitude of the sox management over the course of many yrs and yet the sox will still restrict the cost to right this ship. this was done with the owners knowledge and my question is how does he expect the team to become better??

ok maybe i am missing something. walker as it stand is making 8 mil and is in his final yr in arb. he is a fa in 17. so we are talking 1 yr and plus prospects to get him. depending on the prospects. who know.

 

a fa for 3b is a minimum of a 5 yr contract, and at what cost?? trey and whatever prospects for 3b will be held back. let alone the cost of the contract at which someone already mention that the sox are or will be limited.

 

next the state of this system was not done in the last few yrs but was done b/c of the ineptitude of the sox management over the course of many yrs and yet the sox will still restrict the cost to right this ship. this was done with the owners knowledge and my question is how does he expect the team to become better??

 

What free agent 3B is worth a 5 year contract?

 

I see David Freese getting a 2 year (with an option) at most.

Edited November 19, 201510 yr by soxfan2014

What free agent 3B is worth a 5 year contract?

 

and you have a point, what free agent???

 

the answer is simple, it is the market of the agents doing, if the agent is stating it and dictating the terms, it is up to the team to say yay or nay.

 

then there goes the choice of #1 now remember there are not that many 3b avail???

 

what next.... make a trade, now we are back full circle.

ok maybe i am missing something. walker as it stand is making 8 mil and is in his final yr in arb. he is a fa in 17. so we are talking 1 yr and plus prospects to get him. depending on the prospects.

 

I was wrong. Yes, he just has one year before free agency. So it would be pretty similar to the Jeff Shark signing. I'm sure most people would rather have Semien, Phegley, and Bassit back rather than the draft pick.

You are basically signing Walker to a 2 year deal for, let's say, $22 million PLUS giving up whatever it takes to get him which is probably 2 or 3 legit prospects. So a total waste if the Sox don't make a run in the playoffs in '16 or '17. Why would you do that instead of just paying money to Murphy or Kendrick. Also, at some point you're going to need to have some cheap homegrown talent filter onto the team at some positions.

 

 

You'd be giving up on Sanchez (and Micah) who is already a plus defender who showed big improvement with the bat throughout the minors once he got more than a season of experience. You can't fill an ENTIRE team with medium-quality, expensive free agents/several year veterans (LaRoche, Melky, Walker, Freese, Asdrubal, etc.)

 

Because both would cost a draft pick? At this point, I would rather trade prospects/players we have to get solid players back then burn through those top 3 picks next draft. If you can get through this offseason without trading Q, Anderson, or Fulmer and add talent, that is a big coup in my opinion moving forward.

I was wrong. Yes, he just has one year before free agency. So it would be pretty similar to the Jeff Shark signing. I'm sure most people would rather have Semien, Phegley, and Bassit back rather than the draft pick.

 

but your previous post brought up something that i remember. i believe it may have came from Hahn, but lets say it came from the sox FO.

 

the sox will not trade for a player with 1 yr left on his contract. ~~ something to that effect. in other words, they do not want to go thru another Shark and or loosing the prospects needed to get that player.

 

what ever the reason, the sox org has already made the edict of what they will not do.

We've all read Hahn's comments on what the Sox are looking for and Walker does not fit the description. End of story.

No the Sox should not have any interest. He is not a long term solution and the cost would not equal the loss in long term value for the franchise.

Bingo

I'm not that convinced that Trayce is a long-term starter, but I think if you are going that direction it likely indicates more of a youth movement. I'd also hope it indicates some focus on the D, but I don't know. We have a lot of poor defenders and I don't know that a guy who is probably better served as a 4th outfielder and starting him necessarily signals that movement. I still get pissed thinking about how we built a team around pitching with such a horrific defense.

We don't know if he's the long term answer. But there's not reason no to let him play and find out. Especially, as you said, with this horrible outfield defense on this team.

 

But a lot of people prefer those proven veterans like Melky.

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We've all read Hahn's comments on what the Sox are looking for and Walker does not fit the description. End of story.

 

That's true. Guy who is available, can hit, and 29 years old. Why would we want him? It'd be unfair to the rest of the MLB if the Sox added even more to the rest of their potent offense.

That's true. Guy who is available, can hit, and 29 years old. Why would we want him? It'd be unfair to the rest of the MLB if the Sox added even more to the rest of their potent offense.

 

Stop the win now attitude. It's failed miserably for the past ten years. It's time for the Sox to rebuild.

That's true. Guy who is available, can hit, and 29 years old. Why would we want him? It'd be unfair to the rest of the MLB if the Sox added even more to the rest of their potent offense.

Sarcasm, well that's just so cute. Let me try....

 

The Sox have approximately 20M available to spend,

 

The Sox need help at 3B, SS and C, which are bigger needs than 2B,

 

Not sure what Walker would cost but those prospects could be used to help acquire a 3B, SS or C,

 

The Sox have plenty of young talent that can potentially play 2B such as Sanchez, Micah and Saladino at a fraction of Walker's cost which would allow the Sox to spend available funds on one or more of the important positions that need to be filled.

 

The Sox would be spending prospects +10M for one year of Walker.

 

Add all that up and ya get trading for Walker is just a dumb idea for a team like the Sox with the position they are in. If the Sox were closer to contending with only one or two positional needs, it would be a different story, but that's not the case now is it?

 

The Sox are not in a position where they can waste more money or prospects. Both resources need to be spent wisely due to the limited supply. Welcome to the White Sox conundrum. I genuinely feel for the FO because they are in a very tough spot.

 

 

 

 

Stop the win now attitude. It's failed miserably for the past ten years. It's time for the Sox to rebuild.

 

Disagree 100%. With a core of Abreu, Sale, Eaton and Quintana all in the prime of their career and Rodon soon to be breaking out there is no reason to completely rebuild. While 2016 may not be the year to go all in, I think they should be setting themselves up this year to make that push in 2017.

Disagree 100%. With a core of Abreu, Sale, Eaton and Quintana all in the prime of their career and Rodon soon to be breaking out there is no reason to completely rebuild. While 2016 may not be the year to go all in, I think they should be setting themselves up this year to make that push in 2017.

 

So what would you do for this year? Sign stop gaps (guys like Freese and Asdrubal Cabrera, maybe one year of Doug Fister) and hope to flip them?

Sarcasm, well that's just so cute. Let me try....

 

The Sox have approximately 20M available to spend,

 

The Sox need help at 3B, SS and C, which are bigger needs than 2B,

 

Not sure what Walker would cost but those prospects could be used to help acquire a 3B, SS or C,

 

The Sox have plenty of young talent that can potentially play 2B such as Sanchez, Micah and Saladino at a fraction of Walker's cost which would allow the Sox to spend available funds on one or more of the important positions that need to be filled.

 

The Sox would be spending prospects +10M for one year of Walker.

 

Add all that up and ya get trading for Walker is just a dumb idea for a team like the Sox with the position they are in. If the Sox were closer to contending with only one or two positional needs, it would be a different story, but that's not the case now is it?

 

The Sox are not in a position where they can waste more money or prospects. Both resources need to be spent wisely due to the limited supply. Welcome to the White Sox conundrum. I genuinely feel for the FO because they are in a very tough spot.

 

You actually forgot OF as well.

 

Look, if the Sox intend to fill those areas of need with quality players, then by all means take a pass on Walker... But i do think we need to be looking towards a win-now approach. We have a great core and this is the window in which we should be trying to do something. These are Sale and Abreu's best years... we can take a 5 year approach, but there's no guarantee those guys will be around when the Sox develop young players. That's why i think we need a win-now approach. I also have zero confidence in the Sox developing talented offensive players. I mean, we have to go back a decade to talk about the last time the sox developed a talented offensive hitter, which is why i'm interested in upgrading in every possible way.

 

I can stomach Sanchez and Johnson at 2b IF we get improvement at other areas. But i'll tell you right now, from what I've seen of Sanchez and Johnson, they will end up being nothing more than utility players in the MLB... So if we march out Saladino at 3rd, Sanchez at short, Johnson at 2b next year, Flowers at catcher, it's going to be another year of just abysmal offense. I can guarantee you that. That's why, when I see a chance to upgrade, I am interested...

Edited November 20, 201510 yr by Special K