That is highly debatable. (The defensive value Saladino brings plus his hitting that probably wouldn't be too much worse may be better than Rollins' overall production)

I don't think it's highly debatable that Saladino likely never puts up a 4 WAR season.

I don't think it's highly debatable that Saladino likely never puts up a 4 WAR season.

His WAR/162 was over 3 last year.

His WAR/162 was over 3 last year.

 

bWAR really loved his defense. fWAR merely liked it. He should be getting more starts IMO. Rollins really does not need to play playing 90% of the games.

Rollins really does not need to play playing 90% of the games.

 

How can this be such a sure notion 22 PAs in, though?

Valid point. I just hope they arent afraid to pull the plug if he isn't getting the job done. In the games I've watched so far, he doesn't have all that great of range at SS. The bat could definitely show up to offset his defensive inadequacies.

 

Judging by the way the Ventura benched players last year, I don't think that will be a problem assuming that Saladino does perform, and Rollins doesn't.

His WAR/162 was over 3 last year.

That's because he had a crazy high DRS value last year, at +12 in just 60 games. At a full season's pace that would have been the second-best defensive season by a 3B since they started tracking DRS. I like Saladino, but that was likely to be unsustainable. And even with historically good defense he still wasn't coming close to 4 WAR over a full season.

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How can this be such a sure notion 22 PAs in, though?

 

Because he's 37 and is playing SS and had .2 fWAR last year? There's no reason to play him like he's 27 and in his prime.

Quintana game and the Twins are 0-6, ya I'll be shocked if we don't lose this one 1-0 or 2-1.

Ha, love being a sox fan. Facing an 0-6 team and in unison we all say "ugh, advantage twins!"

We opened as under dogs in Vegas, so we aren't the only ones thinking that!

Quintana game and the Twins are 0-6, ya I'll be shocked if we don't lose this one 1-0 or 2-1.

 

Which of course won't prevent the game thread from being full of "THIS TEAM IS TRASH"

I thought Quintana got a ND in his start?

nice to see Verlander get knocked around

I thought Quintana got a ND in his start?

correct

correct

Ok, so the thread title is showing his record after this game. Cool.

Hope I can get the game over one of the DirectV sports channels or MLB Extra Innings if it's still free

 

MLBEI free week ended yesterday.

His WAR/162 was over 3 last year.

 

In order to make a case for Saladino to be owed more PT literally five games into this season, you have taken 2/3 of a single season of defensive data from the less popular of two divergent WAR systems and extrapolated it to an entire season. And it STILL ends up 30% lower than the number quoted in the post you quoted.

 

You're using numbers the way tobacco companies use numbers.

Would be nice to see Q put up 7+ innings of 2-3 run ball today. His first outing was not up to the standard he has set for himself.

Ok, so the thread title is showing his record after this game. Cool.

 

lol.

 

Go Sox.

 

I give the Sox literally no chance of winning this game. Even if they really are going to compete for this division there is no way they win this game today.

I give the Sox literally no chance of winning this game. Even if they really are going to compete for this division there is no way they win this game today.

 

Uhhhh

In order to make a case for Saladino to be owed more PT literally five games into this season, you have taken 2/3 of a single season of defensive data from the less popular of two divergent WAR systems and extrapolated it to an entire season. And it STILL ends up 30% lower than the number quoted in the post you quoted.

 

You're using numbers the way tobacco companies use numbers.

The number being used ("over 3") is 3.57. 3.57 is definitely not 30% less than 4. You're also assuming that he never improves. (Since OP said he doesn't put up a season as good as 2014 Rollins even at full ceiling, and someone decided to make WAR the only stat being talked about)

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MLBEI free week ended yesterday.

 

 

I was afraid of that

The number being used ("over 3") is 3.57. 3.57 is definitely not 30% less than 4. You're also assuming that he never improves. (Since OP said he doesn't put up a season as good as 2014 Rollins even at full ceiling, and someone decided to make WAR the only stat being talked about)

 

ZIPS likes Tyler too though... projected for 1.4 fWAR in only 435 PA. I think Tyler is pretty decent but I like having Rollins as well. I like 'em both.

Avi so far only swinging out of the zone 38.3%. Walk rate is up a tick as well at 8.7% and K-Rate down to 21.7%. Some positive signs but he's got to sustain production. BABIP is only .200 so he keeps doing what he's doing that will rise and so will his line.

The number being used ("over 3") is 3.57. 3.57 is definitely not 30% less than 4. You're also assuming that he never improves. (Since OP said he doesn't put up a season as good as 2014 Rollins even at full ceiling, and someone decided to make WAR the only stat being talked about)

 

Improve on what would be projected out to be one of the greatest defensive seasons in modern history? Yeah, I am going to say no. No one ever projected Saladino that high. Rondon is the one guy in the system with that kind of defensive ceiling.