CarGo is the obvious solution if the team is serious about winning IMO. Just imagine the lineup if he replaced Avi.

 

Eaton

Melky

Abreu

Frazier

CarGo

Lawrie

Navarro

Rollins

Jackson

CarGo is the obvious solution if the team is serious about winning IMO. Just imagine the lineup if he replaced Avi.

 

Eaton

Melky

Abreu

Frazier

CarGo

Lawrie

Navarro

Rollins

Jackson

 

Hell by the time they trade for him maybe Anderson at short.

Edited April 13, 20169 yr by soxfan2014

CarGo is the obvious solution if the team is serious about winning IMO. Just imagine the lineup if he replaced Avi.

 

Eaton

Melky

Abreu

Frazier

CarGo

Lawrie

Navarro

Rollins

Jackson

But wouldn't we have to give Anderson/something good up for him? That's not a risk I'd like to take

But wouldn't we have to give Anderson/something good up for him? That's not a risk I'd like to take

 

Yeah and the only way I'd be comfortable trading Anderson away for another position of need is if Saladino was able to be a great defender and solid hitter. Of course we wouldn't know that til the end of the season and if he was playing everyday.

 

I think it's more likely they trade for Bruce, maybe Reddick.

Edited April 13, 20169 yr by soxfan2014

Hell by the time they trade for him maybe Anderson at short.

 

Even better.

 

Eaton

Melky

Abreu

Frazier

CarGo

Lawrie

Navarro

Jackson

Anderson

 

and they probably would bring up Fulmer by that point too, so the rotation would be:

 

Sale

Q

Rodon

Latos

Fulmer

 

Awesome. I would love to see these ideas come to fruition at some point this season.

Even better.

 

Eaton

Melky

Abreu

Frazier

CarGo

Lawrie

Navarro

Jackson

Anderson

 

and they probably would bring up Fulmer by that point too, so the rotation would be:

 

Sale

Q

Rodon

Latos

Fulmer

 

Awesome. I would love to see these ideas come to fruition at some point this season.

We wouldn't have one of Fulmer/Anderson though, with COL's asking price

We wouldn't have one of Fulmer/Anderson though, with COL's asking price

 

Yeah and we don't really have many other enticing pieces. Colorado would and should ask for one of them.

We wouldn't have one of Fulmer/Anderson though, with COL's asking price

I'd trade anyone in the system besides those two for him, but like you said, getting him would probably require the Sox to trade at least one of them.

This is a really good post. I would argue he is one of those players who could outproduce slightly from an offensive position (vs. his minor league numbers) given his tools. That said, if Thompson actually posts a .730-.750 OPS while playing plus defense in center, I'd call that a really good player. I don't know whether he will do that or not, but I talked to a scout at spring training and he had nothing but nice things to say about Trayce and his view was that Trayce was going to be a solid starter. That said, Sox really liked Trayce...they weren't dying to get rid of him, but they had a massive hole at 3B and hand to find someway to address it if they intended to contend.

 

I'd call that a slightly better player than Austin Jackson.

 

I think that the Sox really liked Trayce as a fourth outfielder. Beyond that, probably not so much. Maybe he'll surprise us in LA, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Edited April 13, 20169 yr by Black_Jack29

I'd call that a slightly better player than Austin Jackson.

 

I think that the Sox really liked Trayce as a fourth outfielder. Beyond that, probably not so much. Maybe he'll surprise us in LA, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

 

Austin's career OPS is .731. He put up a .730 in 2014.

Austin's career OPS is .731. He put up a .730 in 2014.

 

I know. His offensive numbers have fallen since his days in Detroit, though, so I'm being conservative. I'd predict him to be somewhere in the .710-.730 range over the next couple of seasons.

 

I know. His offensive numbers have fallen since his days in Detroit, though, so I'm being conservative. I'd predict him to be somewhere in the .710-.730 range over the next couple of seasons.

 

It would be pretty easy to explain that by A.) playing in Seattle and B.) not playing full time.

It would be pretty easy to explain that by A.) playing in Seattle and B.) not playing full time.

 

Jackson had 656 PAs in 2014 and 527 PAs in 2015. Being dealt in each of those years probably affected him more than the ballpark or his playing time. Hitting in Seattle's cruddy lineup certainly didn't help him, though.

 

It'll be interesting to see how he does in a hitter-friendly park like the Cell. Jackson's in a contract year and is hoping to cash in this winter, so hopefully he resists the temptation to press.

Edited April 13, 20169 yr by Black_Jack29

I'd argue that Thompson defensive upside is better than Austin Jackson. That said, if we got a .730 OPS out of Jackson and above average D, I'd call that a player you can absolutely win with as well. I don't know what we will get long term. There was a point in time, I'd call Austin Jackson an above average player (averaged a 4.9 WAR over a 3 season span).

Guys we didn't f***ing DFA Trayce Thompson, we traded him for Todd Frazier. The fact that we needed a third baseman more than literally anything else and the price was Trayce Thompson does NOT mean that the White Sox think Trayce Thompson sucks.

I'd argue that Thompson defensive upside is better than Austin Jackson. That said, if we got a .730 OPS out of Jackson and above average D, I'd call that a player you can absolutely win with as well.

 

I agree with this.

 

I don't know what we will get long term.

 

If by "long term" you mean after this season, the likely answer is nothing. I don't think that the Sox will give him the $50M or more than he'll be able to command next winter.

 

Guys we didn't f***ing DFA Trayce Thompson, we traded him for Todd Frazier. The fact that we needed a third baseman more than literally anything else and the price was Trayce Thompson does NOT mean that the White Sox think Trayce Thompson sucks.

 

CarGo is the obvious solution if the team is serious about winning IMO.

How many more "proven veterans" will be the obvious solutions?

Kenny Williams has tried this approach. And it fails repeatedly. And Cargo, as do most Kenny Williams targets, have massive, glaring warning flags all around them.

Edited April 13, 20169 yr by GreenSox

I think that the Sox really liked Trayce as a fourth outfielder.

True

But I'll take the evaluation skills of the Dodgers over Kenny Williams, Robin Ventura and Don Cooper.

True

But I'll take the evaluation skills of the Dodgers over Kenny Williams, Robin Ventura and Don Cooper.

 

Talent evaluation is much easier when you have a few hundred million dollars backing you up, and burying your mistakes.

Talent evaluation is much easier when you have a few hundred million dollars backing you up, and burying your mistakes.

 

True. And Thompson wouldn't even be up right now if it wasn't for Ethier's injury.

True

But I'll take the evaluation skills of the Dodgers over Kenny Williams, Robin Ventura and Don Cooper.

Trayce is 25 now, I think he might be too old to be on a team of yours anyway.

Trayce is 25 now, I think he might be too old to be on a team of yours anyway.

Besides, if he has one good full season, he becomes a hero, and hero worshipping is bad. He would have to be traded for a meddling prospect or 2.

How many more "proven veterans" will be the obvious solutions?

Kenny Williams has tried this approach. And it fails repeatedly. And Cargo, as do most Kenny Williams targets, have massive, glaring warning flags all around them.

What were Jose Contreras, Freddy Garcia, El Duque, Dustin Hermanson, Cliff Politte, Jermaine Dye, and AJ Pierzynski if not your despised proven veterans?

 

If you want a non-White Sox recent example, what about Ben Zobrist, Kendrys Morales, Chris Young, and Edison Volquez?

Groupthink in midseason form, I see.

 

The Sox have had a solid payroll for years. 3 playoff appearances in 15 years with that payroll and after inheriting a division winning team with a top farm is pretty poor performance. JR isn't cheap...he's just ridiculously tolerant of non-performing employees.

 

The good news is that the farm system is churning out some good players. The bad news is that the braintrust doesn't seem compelled to take advantage of it.