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Then we’re in trouble as an organization if we’re unable to land either player. No one can deny they’ve placed themselves in their current position with low payroll obligations to have one. Hahn and KWs comments have only solidified that fact. It’s a failure, no matter the excuse

Does anyone have any leanings one way or another if Harper or Machado will sign first? It almost seems like a foregone conclusion that Harper signs first judging by the comments suggesting Machado is option #2; but maybe that’s just us collectively hoping the White Sox strike first. I’d be thrilled with Harper or Machado (although I’d prefer Harper). Fan interest will be huge in the early months when ticket sales are traditionally lagging due to weather and on field performance. Factor in Eloy’s inevitable promotion and there would be genuine excitement among fans. By the end of 2019, assuming an even modest improvement in the standings, there’d be heightened optimism for 2020. A lot more to “sell” for the casual fans and a heightened payroll to perhaps supplement various positions.

OH MY GODDDDDDDD Great info within this thread, especially the last few pages. Even if none of the info is proven correct it’s fun to be in the discussion for Machado/Harper. Every day im checking Soxtalk to look for some new (possibly inside) information, which fortunately Peavy has provides us with 😄

Exactly. Go for the 4th down. If you can’t push one yard across in two plays (which seals the game), then Rodgers would have to run the field anyway. Either they kick to tie, or a TD wins away.

Can anyone that works in this organization, in any capacity, over any period of time, identify a competent QB?

Kid is the right word. Looks scared

I don’t believe Hahn can justify it much longer. Eloy has been on a ridiculous (albeit unsustainable) tear that coincided with the now infamous “check the boxes” remark. The media is beginning their Eloy promotional assault and there aren’t many more excuses you can give for a prospect hitting nearly .400. If we were entering September i’d be confident Hahn would hold him down through the end of the season. With two months to go? I’m not so sure. We’ll see if Hahn has the balls to do it.

Hey, if you’re going to reference the greatest philosophical question of White Sox history you better credit its creator! 😁 Btw, I was satisfied that we did eventually find our Liriano — Chris Sale

They probably never even mentioned his name. I guarantee he would have been theirs for the taking, you never heard anyone claiming he was untouchable. Their focus was probably pitching and pitching alone

Mistakes of that magnitude cannot be made. Especially since we're trying so hard to trade for and/or develop quality prospects, and if we had done nothing at all we'd be in a better position. I know people have argued that trade and subsequent failures may have propelled the rebuild. Although we had absolutely no purpose for Shields at the point of the trade to begin with. It was a horrible job all around.

Wouldn't you think the Padres were having the same exact thought process? "He has no value and isn't bringing back a Top 100 prospect." If it happened to Hahn, why can't it happen to another GM? The Padres obviously knew who they were receiving and we embarrassingly no clue of who were giving up. Let's start expecting more from Hahn. It's vitally important for our future to have one of those types of trades. If we don't get a Rizzo or Arrieta, crap for gold type of deals, we're relying on FA, equal value, or our minor league system. Call it dumb luck, or whatever; but we need some our way

We always have such low expectations. Why are we always assuming returns will be minimal? If Tatis Jr can be received from Shields or Arrieta from Cashner, we can't just have this defeatist mentality. It's the responsibility of our organization to take advantage of another team's weakness in evaluating their players. If it happen to us, why can't we expect the same from Hahn?

If they fail to develop the young talent at their disposal, especially after last years trades, it proves one of two scenarios -- either the players weren't worthy of their hype, or the Sox organization failed at developing and/or maintaining their health. Someone said earlier it doesn't matter which players succeed, as long as some of them do. Absolutely not true. You mean to tell me if Hansen, Collins, Stephens, and Burger are the future high-end talent from within the organization, it wouldn't matter that none of the players we acquired in recent trades succeeded? That would be a terrible indictment of our organization. Every major trade (Eaton/Quintana/Sale) NEEDS two, at the absolute minimum one successful and contributing part to push forward this rebuild. Hahn also needs two other factors to go his way for this team to reach its potential -- a crap for gold type of trade, and a low value, high return FA signing. Every WS team has a combination of internal development, FA signings, and those one-sided trades. I know it seems obvious, but atleast two/three need to happen. Hahn has been miserable in both categories, and our minor league development (while on the right track) has experienced the built in excuse of injuries, as of now. It's not enough to trade highly valued players for a highly valued return; no, you need a Cashner for Arrieta trade. One where an absolute stud is received for garbage. Basically what Shields for Tatis Jr did......but benefitting us.

No greater insult can be given. I've been ready for a rebuild since 2007 lol. I believe it's reasonable to worry about Moncada if, after the conclusion of the season, he hasn't improved. I'd place a .245/.320/.700+OPS slash as an expected goal. That doesn't mean abandon him for 2019 or line up replacements. We've seen with Avi Garcia how long it can take for everything to click. I understand it's a process, but perhaps I just expected more out of Moncada then many here did.