Wise Master Buehrle Posted October 22, 2003 Share Posted October 22, 2003 WHat pisses me off is that they project Matsui to go to the Mariners! The Mariners don't need any more oriental players! With all the oriental players they have they might as well move to Japan! I want Matsui. Why pay $6 or $7 mil for a guy who's not proven at the big league level? Sure he's a pro in Japan, but that doesn't mean much to me. It's not worth it. While Suzuki and Matsui have panned out thus far, there have been busts like Shinjo that make me weary of taking a risk this big. He's still extremely fast! Someone like him I wouldn't doubt would find a way to get on base and terrorize the pitchers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted October 22, 2003 Author Share Posted October 22, 2003 WHat pisses me off is that they project Matsui to go to the Mariners! The Mariners don't need any more oriental players! With all the oriental players they have they might as well move to Japan! I want Matsui. Why pay $6 or $7 mil for a guy who's not proven at the big league level? Sure he's a pro in Japan, but that doesn't mean much to me. It's not worth it. While Suzuki and Matsui have panned out thus far, there have been busts like Shinjo that make me weary of taking a risk this big. He's still extremely fast! Someone like him I wouldn't doubt would find a way to get on base and terrorize the pitchers Shinjo is fast too. So is Willie Harris. Doesn't mean either can terrorize pitchers or get on base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted October 22, 2003 Share Posted October 22, 2003 While Suzuki and Matsui have panned out thus far, there have been busts like Shinjo that make me weary of taking a risk this big. "How could you give $4 million to Hideki Irabu?" --Frank Costanza Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurlyMan56 Posted October 22, 2003 Share Posted October 22, 2003 Starting Pitchers 1) Bartolo Colon - Destination: Yankees 2) Andy Pettitte - Destination: Astros 3) Kevin Millwood - Destination: Phillies 4) Greg Maddux - Destination: Padres 5) Kelvim Escobar - Destination: Cardinals Relievers 1) Keith Foulke - Destination: Cubs 2) LaTroy Hawkins - Destination: Yankees 3) Trevor Hoffman - Destination: Padres 4) Tom Gordon - Destination: Phillies 5) Eddie Guardado - Destination: Twins Catchers 1) Ivan Rodriguez - Destination: Marlins 2) Javy Lopez - Destination: Cubs 3) Benito Santiago - Destination: Orioles First Basemen 1) Rafael Palmeiro - Destination: Rangers 2) J.T. Snow - Destination: Braves 3) Scott Spezio - Destination: White Sox Second Basemen 1) Luis Castillo - Destination: Cardinals 2) Roberto Alomar - Destination: White Sox 3) Fernando Vina - Destination: Cubs Third Basemen 1) Tony Batista - Destination: Devil Rays 2) Vinny Castilla - Destination: ? 3) Joe Randa - Destination: Royals Shortstops 1) Kazuo Matsui - Destination: Dodgers 2) Miguel Tejada - Destination: Angels 3) Rich Aurilia - Destination: Padres Outfielders 1) Gary Sheffield - Destination: Yankees 2) Vladimir Guerrero - Destination: Orioles 3) Mike Cameron - Destination: ? 4) Carl Everett - Destination: Devil Rays 5) Brian Jordan - Destination: Diamondbacks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted October 22, 2003 Share Posted October 22, 2003 Starting Pitchers 1) Bartolo Colon - Destination: Yankees 2) Andy Pettitte - Destination: Astros 3) Kevin Millwood - Destination: Phillies 4) Greg Maddux - Destination: Padres 5) Kelvim Escobar - Destination: Cardinals Relievers 1) Keith Foulke - Destination: Cubs 2) LaTroy Hawkins - Destination: Yankees 3) Trevor Hoffman - Destination: Padres 4) Tom Gordon - Destination: Phillies 5) Eddie Guardado - Destination: Twins Catchers 1) Ivan Rodriguez - Destination: Marlins 2) Javy Lopez - Destination: Cubs 3) Benito Santiago - Destination: Orioles First Basemen 1) Rafael Palmeiro - Destination: Rangers 2) J.T. Snow - Destination: Braves 3) Scott Spezio - Destination: White Sox Second Basemen 1) Luis Castillo - Destination: Cardinals 2) Roberto Alomar - Destination: White Sox 3) Fernando Vina - Destination: Cubs Third Basemen 1) Tony Batista - Destination: Devil Rays 2) Vinny Castilla - Destination: ? 3) Joe Randa - Destination: Royals Shortstops 1) Kazuo Matsui - Destination: Dodgers 2) Miguel Tejada - Destination: Angels 3) Rich Aurilia - Destination: Padres Outfielders 1) Gary Sheffield - Destination: Yankees 2) Vladimir Guerrero - Destination: Orioles 3) Mike Cameron - Destination: ? 4) Carl Everett - Destination: Devil Rays 5) Brian Jordan - Destination: Diamondbacks Milwood would go back to Atlanta, they need the pitching. Phillies have alot of money tied up already. Rangers want Palmeiro gone so Tiexiera can get more playtime. Alot of youngsters on that team with Tiexiera, Nix, Mench, the 3B (his name escapes me for some reason). Alot of the other ones could go any different way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted October 22, 2003 Author Share Posted October 22, 2003 From what I hear, the GM in Baltimore really wants a superstar, which they havent had since Ripkin. All signs point to Vlad, and I whouldnt be suprised if he shells out more money for a Millwood. Exactly and people don't realize they are clearing a ton of payroll. Albert Belle - $13 mil - gone Scott Erickson - $7 mil - gone I'm sure there are others who won't be back as well. That's $20 mil right there, they're gonna be a major player this offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmmmmbeeer Posted October 22, 2003 Share Posted October 22, 2003 WHat pisses me off is that they project Matsui to go to the Mariners! The Mariners don't need any more oriental players! With all the oriental players they have they might as well move to Japan! I want Matsui. That's why there needs to be a draft process for these international players. It's ridiculous that 90% of MLB teams have absolutely NO SHOT at signing even one of these guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted October 22, 2003 Author Share Posted October 22, 2003 WHat pisses me off is that they project Matsui to go to the Mariners! The Mariners don't need any more oriental players! With all the oriental players they have they might as well move to Japan! I want Matsui. That's why there needs to be a draft process for these international players. It's ridiculous that 90% of MLB teams have absolutely NO SHOT at signing even one of these guys. That'll never happen. Players won't agree to it in a labor deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted October 22, 2003 Share Posted October 22, 2003 WHat pisses me off is that they project Matsui to go to the Mariners! The Mariners don't need any more oriental players! With all the oriental players they have they might as well move to Japan! I want Matsui. That's why there needs to be a draft process for these international players. It's ridiculous that 90% of MLB teams have absolutely NO SHOT at signing even one of these guys. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox61382 Posted October 22, 2003 Share Posted October 22, 2003 I just can't see the Yankees getting rid of Johnson. Almost every team has asked about him and the Yankees continue to turn them down. I have a feeling that they would move Bernie before they move Johnson, however, I don't even think it will go that far. GS will get either Pettite or Colon, maybe both, AND either Guerrero, Shieffield, or Castillo, but I don't think they will sign 2 out of the 3. With that said, if Johnson is available I would love to see the Sox go after him. He is a star in the making. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted October 22, 2003 Share Posted October 22, 2003 I just can't see the Yankees getting rid of Johnson. Almost every team has asked about him and the Yankees continue to turn them down. I have a feeling that they would move Bernie before they move Johnson, however, I don't even think it will go that far. GS will get either Pettite or Colon, maybe both, AND either Guerrero, Shieffield, or Castillo, but I don't think they will sign 2 out of the 3. With that said, if Johnson is available I would love to see the Sox go after him. He is a star in the making. Bt the time Johnson is a superstar, the Yankees could have bought anyone they wanted to play while he was becoming a star, and then buy someone just as good when he was a star. This offseason is going to be a ton of fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmookie Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 the devil rays signing everett and cameron wow! the angels signing tejada wow! THE ORIOLS SIGNING GUERRERO BIG WOW SINCE NOT THE YANKEES! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=pote...v=tsn&type=lgns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 This week's Baseball Weekly, aka Sports Weekly, has an article, by Bob Nightengale, of the projected destinations of the major free agents in baseball. There's some positive news inside for Sox fans, but remember, these are just predictions. Starting Pitchers 1) Bartolo Colon - Destination: White Sox True 2) Andy Pettitte - Destination: Yankees True 3) Kevin Millwood - Destination: Braves True 4) Greg Maddux - Destination: Cardinals False 5) Kelvim Escobar - Destination: Blue Jays False Relievers 1) Keith Foulke - Destination: Red Sox False 2) LaTroy Hawkins - Destination: Cubs False 3) Trevor Hoffman - Destination: Padres True 4) Tom Gordon - Destination: White Sox True 5) Eddie Guardado - Destination: Twins False Catchers 1) Ivan Rodriguez - Destination: Orioles True 2) Javy Lopez - Destination: Cubs False 3) Benito Santiago - Destination: Royals False First Basemen 1) Rafael Palmeiro - Destination: Mariners False 2) J.T. Snow - Destination: Braves False 3) Scott Spezio - Destination: Giants False Second Basemen 1) Luis Castillo - Destination: Yankees True 2) Roberto Alomar - Destination: White Sox True 3) Fernando Vina - Destination: Marlins True Third Basemen 1) Tony Batista - Destination: Braves True 2) Vinny Castilla - Destination: Orioles False 3) Joe Randa - Destination: Royals False Shortstops 1) Kazuo Matsui - Destination: Mariners True 2) Miguel Tejada - Destination: Angels False 3) Rich Aurilia - Destination: Padres True Outfielders 1) Gary Sheffield - Destination: Yankees True 2) Vladimir Guerrero - Destination: Orioles True 3) Mike Cameron - Destination: Devil Rays False 4) Carl Everett - Destination: Devil Rays False 5) Brian Jordan - Destination: Diamondbacks False This week's Baseball Weekly, aka Sports Weekly, has an article, by Bob Nightengale, of the projected destinations of the major free agents in baseball. There's some positive news inside for Sox fans, but remember, these are just predictions. Starting Pitchers 1) Bartolo Colon - Destination: White Sox True 2) Andy Pettitte - Destination: Yankees True 3) Kevin Millwood - Destination: Braves True 4) Greg Maddux - Destination: Cardinals False 5) Kelvim Escobar - Destination: Blue Jays False Relievers 1) Keith Foulke - Destination: Red Sox False 2) LaTroy Hawkins - Destination: Cubs False 3) Trevor Hoffman - Destination: Padres True 4) Tom Gordon - Destination: White Sox True 5) Eddie Guardado - Destination: Twins False Catchers 1) Ivan Rodriguez - Destination: Orioles True 2) Javy Lopez - Destination: Cubs False 3) Benito Santiago - Destination: Royals False First Basemen 1) Rafael Palmeiro - Destination: Mariners False 2) J.T. Snow - Destination: Braves False 3) Scott Spezio - Destination: Giants False Second Basemen 1) Luis Castillo - Destination: Yankees True 2) Roberto Alomar - Destination: White Sox True 3) Fernando Vina - Destination: Marlins True Third Basemen 1) Tony Batista - Destination: Braves True 2) Vinny Castilla - Destination: Orioles False 3) Joe Randa - Destination: Royals False Shortstops 1) Kazuo Matsui - Destination: Mariners True 2) Miguel Tejada - Destination: Angels False 3) Rich Aurilia - Destination: Padres True Outfielders 1) Gary Sheffield - Destination: Yankees True 2) Vladimir Guerrero - Destination: Orioles True 3) Mike Cameron - Destination: Devil Rays False 4) Carl Everett - Destination: Devil Rays False 5) Brian Jordan - Destination: Diamondbacks False Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 If we could only somehow dump GIDPaul Konerko and maybe trade Maggs, we could be a major player in this list. It's not always about how much money you have to spend, it's about what you DO with the money you have to spend. :banghead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 The guy the Yankees are going to get rid of is Soriano! I don't see the Sox signing Gordon. Colon is iffy at best. No need to sign Robbia Alomar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 The guy the Yankees are going to get rid of is Soriano! I don't see the Sox signing Gordon. Colon is iffy at best. No need to sign Robbia Alomar. i dont see, or frankly want, the Sox to re-sign Gordon, but i think its 60/40 right now we re-sign Colon. As for Alomar, i'd rather give Harris/Miles a shot or make an attempt at signing Castillo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 The guy the Yankees are going to get rid of is Soriano! I don't see the Sox signing Gordon. Colon is iffy at best. No need to sign Robbia Alomar. Soriano instead of an ageing Williams, NO f***ING WAY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 However, with the Orioles getting Belle and Erickson's contracts off the books, I can see them signing one, if not two major names. Albert's been off their books for 2 seasons now. Angelos isn't going to spend squat out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 The guy the Yankees are going to get rid of is Soriano! I don't see the Sox signing Gordon. Colon is iffy at best. No need to sign Robbia Alomar. Soriano instead of an ageing Williams, NO f***ING WAY. i dont see them getting rid of either, look at what Bernie has done in the playoffs this year. He still has a year or two left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 Albert's been off their books for 2 seasons now. Angelos isn't going to spend squat out there. i was pretty sure Belle was still being paid by them, if not this year i thought for sure it was last year. Maybe i'm wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 Albert's been off their books for 2 seasons now. Angelos isn't going to spend squat out there. i was pretty sure Belle was still being paid by them, if not this year i thought for sure it was last year. Maybe i'm wrong They pay just less than $2 mil, the rest is paid by the insurance company. This is the last year. So I shouldn't have said he's "off the books". They are already saving $11mil, and have been since he "retired". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 The guy the Yankees are going to get rid of is Soriano! I don't see the Sox signing Gordon. Colon is iffy at best. No need to sign Robbia Alomar. Soriano instead of an ageing Williams, NO f***ING WAY. i dont see them getting rid of either, look at what Bernie has done in the playoffs this year. He still has a year or two left. No I know, but I am saying if they did get rid of one of their stars. I think Bernie will move to RF, and Soriano to CF, to make room for Castillo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 The guy the Yankees are going to get rid of is Soriano! I don't see the Sox signing Gordon. Colon is iffy at best. No need to sign Robbia Alomar. Soriano instead of an ageing Williams, NO f***ING WAY. You heard it here first. They are thinking about offering Soriano to KC for Carlos Beltran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted October 24, 2003 Author Share Posted October 24, 2003 The guy the Yankees are going to get rid of is Soriano! I don't see the Sox signing Gordon. Colon is iffy at best. No need to sign Robbia Alomar. Soriano instead of an ageing Williams, NO f***ING WAY. You heard it here first. They are thinking about offering Soriano to KC for Carlos Beltran. Wouldn't surprise me, especially after the way Soriano has played in the World Series. He strikes out far too much. Plus if they get Beltran, they could sign Luis for 2B, put Beltran in Center, but that still leaves them with no rightfielder. No way Bernie can play RF as suggested earlier in this thread, he's got NO arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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