kapzk Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Rather than appreciating the greatness of select players, ya lets jump on the boat and declare em cheaters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemon_44 Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 The only thing that makes me think Braun may right is that ESPN never let's facts get in the way of a sensational story, but we'll see. However, I don't usually buy the player's, or agent's lame excuses. NOtice they said "didn't intentionally take" which suggest he did take something and they are trying use the un-intentional excuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 how bad is the NL central going to be next year? no pujols, potentially not fielder, no braun for 1/3rd of the year...division should be wide open for the reds to win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Whether Braun is "vindicated" or not, it appears he still would have been hopped up on steroids either way. Even if the don't suspend him, I hope they take away the MVP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Source: Braun tested positive for a prohibited substance, not a performance-enhancing drug. More coming on FOXSports.com -- Ken Rosenthal  So gonna go with GUY at the GNC told me excuse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 10, 2011 -> 09:22 PM) Here's an NFL Mr. Irrelevant winning $5.4 million earleir this year suing a supplement company for a tainted product. That's more than he'd likely ever make in his NFL career. Â That's one I hadn't seen. I've only seen that supplements were tainted with masking agents and minors things not methyltestosterone. That blatant lying about what's helping someone and endangering their health, not just accidentily tainting a substance. This company claimed to be clean where others don't make that promise. Edited December 11, 2011 by ptatc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Dec 11, 2011 -> 11:54 AM) Source: Braun tested positive for a prohibited substance, not a performance-enhancing drug. More coming on FOXSports.com -- Ken Rosenthal  So gonna go with GUY at the GNC told me excuse? I wonder if it was amphetamines. I think that is the only substance other than the steriod group that is a 50 game suspension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 I really hope Braun is innocent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxnfins2334 Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 I knew Braunie would have never taken roids. By the way, I'm in Kenosha and I hear a lot about the Brewers on a daily basis during the season and off-season, Braun had a bad calf injury, so he probably took something that he didn't know was banned for the pain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 QUOTE (Soxnfins2256 @ Dec 11, 2011 -> 01:19 PM) I knew Braunie would have never taken roids. By the way, I'm in Kenosha and I hear a lot about the Brewers on a daily basis during the season and off-season, Braun had a bad calf injury, so he probably took something that he didn't know was banned for the pain. Not knowing it was banned is not an excuse. This guy has a 10 year contract for like $150 million because of the things his body can do. Putting somehting into that body that you're not 100% certain about deserves a suspension. If you are 100% certain because a doctor or company tells you so, then that's why the legal system exists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxnfins2334 Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 I'm not all about the punishing. Besides, when someone has a major injury, they usually give you a steroid, or some other substance, to help it heal quicker. A good buddy of mine completely blew out his knee in football (ACL, MCL, everything), and they gave him a steroid for faster healing. It's what they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 QUOTE (Soxnfins2256 @ Dec 11, 2011 -> 01:08 PM) I'm not all about the punishing. Besides, when someone has a major injury, they usually give you a steroid, or some other substance, to help it heal quicker. A good buddy of mine completely blew out his knee in football (ACL, MCL, everything), and they gave him a steroid for faster healing. It's what they do. Â The physician's prescribe a steriod such as prednisone for inflammation after injuries for chronic inflammation. If they gave him an anabolic steriod, it is illegal and a federal offense. He should sue them. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 11, 2011 -> 12:45 PM) Not knowing it was banned is not an excuse. This guy has a 10 year contract for like $150 million because of the things his body can do. Putting somehting into that body that you're not 100% certain about deserves a suspension. If you are 100% certain because a doctor or company tells you so, then that's why the legal system exists. Â Not only is this 100% correct, but the only way the drug policy can work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 JeffPassan Jeff Passan Another source said WADA lab tests B sample using IRMS -- a carbon-isotope-ratio test. Experts say false positives are almost impossible.  BenBadler Ben Badler NY Daily News source on Braun's test results: "Insanely high...twice the level of the highest test ever taken.  effPassan Jeff Passan Union could fight it since Braun technically tested positive during old CBA, during which major leaguers found guilty were still protected  JeffPassan Jeff Passan Source also confirmed that MLB has not lost an arbitration case with PEDs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 MLB has one of the best Octobers ever, a very exciting Hot Stove period, and now they shoot themselves in the foot again, love it. Â I am the founder of the Ryan Braun man-crush club, but this still made me laugh. Whatever, I'm still rooting for him & the Brewers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 11, 2011 -> 05:26 PM) JeffPassan Jeff Passan Another source said WADA lab tests B sample using IRMS -- a carbon-isotope-ratio test. Experts say false positives are almost impossible. Yeah, that's a solid confirmation of a manufactured, non-body-produced testosterone being present in the system. They really went all out to confirm that this was nothing natural if they're throwing mass specs at the tests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 When the integrity of the game is questioned, it hurts every team. Betters won't know who to trust :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 11, 2011 -> 04:52 PM) Yeah, that's a solid confirmation of a manufactured, non-body-produced testosterone being present in the system. They really went all out to confirm that this was nothing natural if they're throwing mass specs at the tests. Excatly. I they can tell you it's a non-natural substance, that means not only was the T/E ratio too high but it's from a substance they know. It's almost impossible to have a false positive when you can identify the substance. The ratio can be questioned not the substance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 Whose body produces test:epitest at 4:1 rate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 QUOTE (Jake @ Dec 11, 2011 -> 09:25 PM) Whose body produces test:epitest at 4:1 rate? I don't think that is physiologically possible. That's why when Braun tested that high it's pretty much guaranteed to be from outside his body. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 11, 2011 -> 10:06 PM) I don't think that is physiologically possible. That's why when Braun tested that high it's pretty much guaranteed to be from outside his body. Â That's what I was thinking, but I'm just some guy on the internet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 Sheep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 Scenarios:Â New trainer - different linament - not aware that it had PEDs in it. Â Health Club - tried health drink - PEDs not listed in ingredients. Â GNC guy lied to him. Â . . . Â Â Just thinking up Braun's excuses for him. Â You forgot: Ate contaminated beef from Mexico Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 I wonder if he has been doing this his whole career. Â Do players get tested just once a year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Dec 12, 2011 -> 08:15 AM) You forgot: Ate contaminated beef from Mexico I'm still waiting to find this contaminated beef that earns me a $150 million contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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