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Looking back at Sox teams post-2005 this collapse is nothing new when the Sox had a first place lead in mid-Sept: 2020: Sept 19: in 1st by 3.0 games w/ 8 games remaining. Season end: 1 game back, 3rd place, made playoffs at wild card. 2012: Sept 18: in 1st by 3.0 games. Season end: 3 games back and out of the playoffs 2008: Sept 21: in 1st by 2.5 games. Then lost 5 in a row before winning games 161, 162, and 163 to salvage the season The only exception is the 2021 season when they held a huge division lead through the entire 2nd half. But even there, they played .600 ball in the first half and then were a .500 team in the second half - so that was more about them being in a weak division. Getz is just the latest in a succession of incompetent front office staff. As I said earlier, I don't see this changing under the current ownership. If they actually fired Getz, who is confident that his replacement wouldn't be even worse?

Burke and Martin need to shove (I assume it’s Martin tomorrow). A’s get one from Cleveland and we’re back in business.

If they cannot accomplish.500 against this remaining schedule, that is just sad. Might need to go 5-3 which should still be doable, I hope. But it is the hope that kills.

FG has us at 75.8% chance for the playoffs that doesn't seem like big trouble to me. The division seems like it's slipping away but the Sox still should get in, especially if we can play .500 ball from here on out.

650 ops hitters with his abundant physical tools are at least useful role/platoon players...it's not like he is still down in the 500s as a member of the Sox. Braden has been even more of a net negative despite the nice throw yesterday. Also, the "starting" value of Schultz H.Smith McDougal Oppor and Grant Taylor has taken a massive hit this year. Hard to comprehend.

Darn, I came in to open this hopeful thread. Oh well....back to the ledge.

That’s the spirit. 😂

Rangers and Astros have easy schedules after this weekend. Sox are in big time trouble now

The good thing is Texas and Toronto play each other so someone has to lose. A win coupled with a loss there by one of them keeps us in a good spot for at least a WC. Hopefully the As will help us out too but I'm not holding my breath there.

Given the way this season has gone, Burke will pitch an inning and then there will be a 2 hour delay and Sox will need 8 innings of relief

Jimmy, do you think they’re developing them to be 2-3 inning relievers as some sort of market inefficiency?

Mune makes him look like Arraez

The dude has 26 strikeouts and 0 walks in 74 plate appearances with the Sox, while they have been primarily starting him against lefties. He’s an absolutely putrid hitter.

Brazoban and Castillo failures have led to this demise, as much as Mune/Kolson/Braden and Venable's "pretty much every move works out as badly as possible" managing.

Just looking at the game logs for Castillo here, it’s crazy how much stress he’s put on the relievers. Already saw two games where Hagen and Taylor had to pitch almost 4 combined innings in a game.

Lack of quality starting pitching finally caught up with them at the worst possible time. Last night was just an extremely painful example of it. You have an 8-2 lead in the 3rd but your starter can only go 4 leaving a tired bullpen to cover 5 innings. And even though the offense didn't score after the 3rd if your starter gives you 7 strong innings 8 runs is enough to win that game. The Sox lead the AL in runs scored. If they had any quality starting pitching they win the AL Central going away.

Doyle hasn't even been a complete disaster...he's rounding into at least a useful player with around a .650 ops, great defense arm speed and XB power. Or basically, everything Acuna was supposed to have been... It's that Castillo move that really sticks in the craw. Worst of all, to be stuck with him again on the team next year seems almost cruel fate at this point...you just know they'll put him in the rotation again in an attempt to extract some value, and it will just about kill their April/May record.

Let's just hope the Rockies have completely packed it in the last series.

Getz gets a solid B for the first half based on the constraints hehe had. But a F for trade deadline and beyond. Venable gets a C so far. Makes the playoffs is an A or B. Misses and it's a D

The Bart trade wasn’t bad either. He just unfortunately got injured after 4 games. However, the two big trades were horrific.

Yes, and you called it before the trade deadline that Getz needed to acquire two starters. I didn’t think he would get two because he didn’t want to pay the cost. But that’s what makes the Doyle trade look even dumber. Not only did he trade away prospects for a position of not much need (CF), he traded away a starter option and didn’t get a starting pitcher back.

I don’t blame Getz for Brazoban. That is a case where the pitcher has just underperformed. The Castillo trade is one I will never understand. Crippling for 2026 and 2027.

Disagree. The Castillo is one of the worst trades I have ever seen on paper in my 42 years on this planet. Made no sense at the time and it might cost us a playoff spot. Doing nothing would have been better than adding him. I have been a staunch Getz defender all season, but last night was my breaking point. Watching a team in desperate need of SP wither & die after an early 8-2 lead while Castillo was nowhere to be found was the nail in the coffin. There is no question he failed this team at the deadline and has weakened them going into 2027. I’m glad he held onto Bonemer and didn’t go “all in”, but I can’t otherwise comprehend his set of moves. Thinking you can fix broken players mid season while in the middle of a playoff push reeks of arrogance or stupidity. Just too hard for me to ignore how mind boggling the Castillo & Doyle moves were.

You probably could have stopped there. 🤣