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Fun fact: Hagen is one of the few pro ballplayers who uses a Nokona glove. I'll be curious if Rawlings buys his loyalty upon arrival to MLB. I was always a Nokona guy when I played so I'm partial to their stuff.

Nah, win today or tomorrow and all is well

Win tonight eases the pain. Loss and the season is over.

My daughter went to Lola last Friday for who I guess was a headliner to see someone that was a no show. Wasn't much of a story.

I don’t feel like commuting to Wrigley.

This is a deep cut. Where do you think those drones that were terrorizing New Jersey came from? The alien craft production center beneath the Bermuda Triangle.

Venable crushing it with high IQ managing recently

I'll let you pick the urinal

The “moon” was created by the government as a cover-up explanation for the oceans tides, which are actually the result of a deep sea bunker housing crashed ufo’s and extraterrestrial bodies. Holy hell do we need a sox win in the worst way.

This ain't criminal court

Sword fight with Bonemer to decide on the winner.

Lol my bud who doesn't even like the White Sox bought tickets to this months ago. Really bad look for the Sox. Not a bad look for Ja Rule because who gives a f*** about Ja Rule in 2026? Well, I care about Ja Rule, but mostly because his best songs are also Ashanti's best songs.

The wrong guy walked out that door!

Manager makes dumb mistake… Manager admits to dumb mistake right after the game… SoxTalk is stupid. Okay…

Vogt sure caught it immediately, which makes sense since he was a catcher.

The Red Sox broke this fanbase's collective brain

The season comes down to who the mods choose here. That’s how important tonight’s game and this thread are. No pressure at all.

SoxTalk won't accept a Top 3 Ivy educated dude making this mistake...or McKinven not catching it, too.

Ray, your perspective most certainly DOES have a place here, every bit as much as anyone else's. I always try to keep Dave Mason's lyric in mind: "There ain't no good guy. There ain't no bad guy. There's only you and me, and we just disagree." And I've also benefited greatly from the meme that I often see here... "F**k you, and see ya tomorrow." It's taught me that it's possible to express opposing views, with great conviction, occasionally butting heads with others and getting at each other's throats, and still have an unwritten understanding that it's not personal, even when it's sometimes loud and coarse.

I think since the Sox were in first place ( with even a small cushion) , they should have been more aggressive in getting at least one "good" starting pitcher. The team and the fans deserved that but I don't think "management" felt the same way.

Please god. Im not as optimistic but I hope youre right

We already have proof in the form of Venable’s admission after the game that he messed up. The burden of proof is on the people making this hypothetical claim and you have none to support this claim. Is it even a pessimistic view when the manager admitted to it himself?

Very well could be the case. Fair take. But, a White Sox manager napping in the dugout?! That could never happen...

I believe we see Sox make a free agent splash and a trade…my guess is they target an outfielder (maybe the guy from japan) and a starting pitcher. And I could see both being free agent signings. I think we see their payroll jump to the 150-175M range. And Id like to see them do that while having the 3 stud ss prospects still In the minors plus retaining Hagen/Noah/Tanner/Sandlin as having that sort of depth will force real competition but also comes in handy. Note: I think we see Ishibia transition happening soon, but even with that, I think JR post lock out will make one final splash knowing he won’t be on back end of any of those deals.

Regarding Will - he messed up. I don’t get any sense that he doesn’t put in the work or do all the right things as a big league manager. s%*# happens and it was stupid (or very smart) but I’ll stick to stupid for sake of this. Everyone has made stupid mistakes in life, even at things they are good at. If you have good habits and ethics and everything else…you own it, move on and never make it again. He’s done those things so I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt. Now if he is napping in dug out or clueless all the time that would be different, but he has given me zero of those vibes and this is all assuming he just totally dropped the ball. I wouldn’t be shocked if the inverse was true too - and he was really playing checkers there.