WestEddy

Thorpe had 111 days service time. ROY eligibility cut-off - service time (45 days on the active roster), at-bats (130) or innings pitched (50)

Right from the article:

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6078454/2025/01/27/top-100-mlb-prospects-2025-keith-law/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=twhq&source=twitterhq 20 schultz 37 teel 38 b. montgomery 49 h. smith 53 quero No Colson Montgomery. I guess he's soured on him, and hasn't seen enough bounce back.

There's 2B, 3B, SS, DH and a spot on the bench for infielders. Rojas can only take up one of those. Coming into ST last year, I was kind of numb, like watching replacement players during a strike.

I was figuring 53-54 wins. I'm a little more excited about the rookies this year than I was for Nicky and DeJong last year.

Irrefutable.

I don't think "your way is stupid". I don't really subscribe to the concept of "laughingstock".

so what? Really sucks when you can't control what other people think, doesn't it?

I've criticized the Maldonado and Clevenger signings multiple times. Understanding why he did them isn't agreeing with or defending them.

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It's baseball, dude. I don't follow so I have something to grouse about.

Let me lay it out for you in more nuanced terms. Reinsdorf gave an interview right after that trade. He was honest, and people reacted to that. Yes, people were mad he gave up, some were mad he insulted them, and some were angry that he said they wouldn't catch Cleveland. As Reinsdorf gets older, he's restricted access to him. Maybe it's people around him sensing less of a filter, or "remember what happened in '97". But I can certainly see the brains of the organization thinking, "just blow smoke up their ass and let's get busy". I'm sorry that you will dig in and disagree no matter what I say. If you can prove that zero people on Earth were angry about Reinsdorf saying we couldn't catch Cleveland, then you'll be right. Otherwise, you're wrong. Added - and yes, everybody hated Reinsdorf after the strike. There was nothing he could do short of multiple World Series victories that would change that.

They were. There was an entire interview, not just one sentence on a tape loop. I suppose you're using the rare definition of "lied" which is "WestEddy is nailing his point, again, and I don't like it". And I said they were mad at him for being honest. You're really, you're lying.

I'm not sure what your point is. I didn't say that "people here are constantly talking about the white flag trade". Answer your own question. It's got nothing to do with me. My point was about people getting mad when Reinsdorf was brutally honest.

The entire season up to the trade, the Sox never got more than 5 games over .500. Sure, I'll give you outrage over giving up. Thus, "White Flag". But my main point, which you're proving, is that people are still mad about that trade, and Reinsdorf's comments about it, which was him being honest. There really isn't an argument, here.

12/5/23 - https://www.chicagotribune.com/2023/12/04/chris-getz-in-his-first-winter-meetings-as-chicago-white-sox-gm-is-focused-on-trying-to-find-ways-to-get-better/ All he seems to talk about is "trying to get better", you know, coming off of a 100 loss season. 9/9/23 - https://www.mlb.com/news/chris-getz-talks-future-plans-before-white-sox-loss Talks about being frustrated with certain aspects of team, "need to get better". 8/31/23 - https://sports.yahoo.com/chris-getz-delivers-first-statement-015215122.html I am not naive to the expectation that things need to change. To that, I would say "the fans deserve different, I am different, we will be different." Being better in 2024 and forward "starts with a strong foundation". "Quickly fill the gaps with outside hires, bring innovation, creation and energy."

Then you're actually okay being lied to if a team is 5 games over .500?

The Dick Allen dude just had a visceral reaction to that situation. I get the feeling Liptak has written books about it.

They're basically saying this, now. And it can be a goal to play better fundamental baseball, and still have fielders who commit errors. That's not really a lie.

If you can't get over it, then you can't get over it. I don't find myself getting outraged if a player doesn't actually "stay within himself" or consider myself lied to if they didn't present "the best version of themselves". For the most part, sports people have nothing of value to say. I wasn't duped by their remarks. We all knew it was a rebuild. I get not wanting one's intelligence insulted. Nobody believes the Sox won in 2000 because of the White Flag trade that basically netted two relievers, a shortstop who didn't stick long, and a few cup-of-coffee arms. After every July '97 loss, all Ozzie Guillen or Roberto Hernandez could talk about wasn't the game they just lost, but trade rumors. That team was infuriatingly average and couldn't get out of their own way. It was great to have an owner get fed up and just trade guys out of his frustration with a middling team. One of the high points of Reinsdorf's tenure. I don't know what "if youre consistently the future" means.

There are fans on this site who still haven't gotten over Reinsdorf's brutally honest remarks in a radio interview right after the White Flag trade in 1997. People's reactions clearly dictate that they want to hear corporate CYA double-speak.

He's been announced last week. You've opined on the many forms of Marinaccio's name you can conceive at the time of his DFA trade to make room for Perez.

I'm not understanding. Cannon, Martin, Perez, Wilson and Burke seem like the likeliest 5 contenders for the rotation. I don't think Schultz, Hagen Smith or Grant Taylor are realistic candidates for the OD roster. I've not heard Berroa being discussed as a starter, and I think they like Shuster in long relief. Iriarte and Nastrini are both kind of "next man up", as is Ky Bush.

Obviously, there's a difference. The Sox are rebuilding, this isn't a surprise. I'm not sure why you're throwing shade on Perez. Weird that you're picking on the one Hispanic guy in the rotation. You have 5 guys who are penciled into the OD rotation. Shane Smith is a possibility for starts. Thorpe has "discomfort", so until he's put on the IL, I'll count him. Iriarte, Wikelman, Nastrini, Bush. Last year, you really had 5 options, and one wasn't ready to start the season. I'll say this year you have 7 realistic options, and one might be down. There is nobody in the Sox' top 10 options that Clevenger is worth replacing. Chris Flexen's still out there if somebody comes up short.

2024 saw the White Sox leave ST with about 2.5 starting pitchers. For the upcoming season, we already have 7-10 options on the big club, or in AAA. There is no gaping void in the rotation that Clevenger might fill. I'm not sure why you're even bringing him up. Karinchak is an idiot. He's not on the odious level of a child abuser. Added: As Scholtens returns from TJS, I doubt he does anything before June.