WestEddy

Figure I'd just get this up, now.

Pretty much all of this is wrong. I'm not "reframing" Montgomery as a lower first round pick. He *is* a lower first round pick. 1-1.5 WAR isn't an average major leaguer. That's slightly below average. I'm not sure which "both" ways I'm trying to have ... something.

No, taking a sober look at Montgomery isn't "moving goalposts". The reevaluations of him by ranking services aren't calling out weird developmental changes that have "ruined" him. They're saying they overreacted to his strong first season, and what they're seeing now is the athlete that he probably is. Your own fascination with listicles has no bearing on whether he "fails" or "succeeds". How would I know what Sox fans should realistically expect going forward? I'm not a scout. I don't run a prospect ranking service. You keep trying to twist Montgomery's development into a weird narrative where everyday he's not raking like a top ten prospect, he's constantly failing, therefore, the organization is constantly failing. Montgomery doesn't need to "move the needle". He's just one prospect. It's silly to pin all the hopes of an organization rebuild on one player. The goal is to amass multiple prospects, because these guys fail at up to a 70% rate. A player putting up 2 WAR in a season is an "average major leaguer". If the Sox played service time games, and controlled Montgomery for most of 7 seasons, him putting up 2-3 WAR a year gets him anywhere between 14-21 WAR. You're all over the place in your posts. I've tried to answer most of the subject changes you keep throwing out there.

I mentioned starts to seasons and that's what you responded to. It's great that you're complaining about something completely different, now. Nope. You just know the game you all play. Get exposed as wrong, then move the goalposts to something else.

Yeah, that's what I said in the first place. He was productive, offensively, in his first 3 seasons.

Most of the guys they're going to trade aren't even off the IL, yet. Robert's the only one playing right now, and I'll bet we can either replicate or replace the .493 OPS out of CF he was putting up 10 days ago.

The actual people who rank prospects are explaining that they overrated Montgomery a couple of years ago, and are adjusting their scouting reports accordingly. That's not spin. The actual spin is you looking for some imaginary measure of "Saviorhood" to proclaim Montgomery a "failed" pick or development story. If he turns into an average major leaguer, that would still be a win. Only eight #22 picks in the 60 years of the draft have put up 20+ bWAR in their careers. I have no idea where you're going with that AJ Preller bit.

His golf handicap's going to suffer.

Well, if Bryce can throw 4 shutout innings, it's still a "quality start".

Me: I would call people yelling for players to be cut for a slow start to the season hyperbolic, but that's just me. SS2k5: Not one. Not two. Not three. Not four. Five. You: Probably referring to consecutive overall disappointing seasons from an fWAR/bWAR perspective. You're wrong. Could you please just follow a conversation for once?

Writers who rank prospects are already issuing mea culpas for overrating him based on his first season in pro ball. I'm not sure why we have to hold him to the standard of a mistake. A much clearer measure would be to look at #22 picks in the draft. If they got 12-20 bWAR out of Monty in 6+ years of control, that would be pretty good return out of that slot. https://www.baseball-reference.com/draft/index.fcgi?overall_pick=22&draft_type=junreg&query_type=overall_pick&from_type_4y=0&from_type_unk=0&from_type_hs=0&from_type_jc=0

I'm not sure if this is what you're referring to, but Vaughn has only started slowly in 2024 and 2025. He's had productive Aprils in his first 3 seasons.

I think we're building him up to be this perennial All-Star, foundational piece for the franchise, but I think if we get an average to a little better than average major leaguer out of a 22nd pick, that's productive.

I would call people yelling for players to be cut for a slow start to the season hyperbolic, but that's just me.

Now who's injured?

A guy who trained with him just told you why, and you called him a dick.

Unlike Santander. LOL.

Okay, back to ignore you go. Your misinterpretation trolling's too inane to even try to deal with.

I'll say what I wrote, and be done with it. You could just say you don't really know how to read, and leave it at that.

I'm talking about the week around Memorial Day, making evaluations about whether C. Monty would be moving towards Chicago, or they decide he needs the full year in Charlotte to cement his changes. Nobody is suggesting Monty will try a new swing, then go straight to the bigs.

My guess is that Sunday, May 25, or Thursday's off day on May 29 are both great preset deadlines for the Sox to evaluate what they have in Vaughn, their RF solutions, Sosa/Vargas, Colson at AAA, their collection of catchers, the pitching rotation, etc. That gives them a nice chance to see if Fletcher and Elko's hot couple of weeks are real, and whether whatever changes they've made are sustainable at a higher level. Same goes or C. Monty, whether he moves towards the parent club, or gets a 6 month lease in Charlotte.

Guys who the Front Office couldn't scream "GTFOH" loud enough: Orlando Cabrera - told that if he accepted the QO, they'd bench him Brett Lawrie - phantom illness Adam LaRoche - Drake Javier Vazquez - No TWTW