WestEddy

They might even have the one guy in the Sox' organization who remembers Meyers throw out the first pitch.

Perhaps, but the silly BS you trot out is easily parried with actual truth and logic.

Getz is being accused of playing service time games with Meidroth, Elko, Teel, and others, as they work on their game. Nobody here would argue that Madrigal and Vaughn weren't "rushed". The director of development doesn't decide who gets promoted to the bigs. Getz has also alluded to the dysfunctional siloing of scouting and development so that development would get players with no real idea of what the scouts were looking at. He has worked to open up communication between those areas.

I would guess that in 2019, there was an EasternEdward here who was advocating for keeping Madrigal in the minors to "work on his game", while he was roundly mocked for buying into the company line so they could gain another year of control. Perhaps I could trick Caulfield into making your own point so that you immediately need to disavow it.

Tim Elko and the City Connect jerseys seem to have relegated him to "Shane Who"?

Counterpoint: No he wasn't.

When does player development participate in draft selections?

So, it seems the problem is that you believed a head coach's hype, fell in love with a player, put all of your hopes and dreams on a rookie, then blamed it all on his faith when it didn't work out? KW/Haber/Hahn were calling the shots in those drafts. Hostetler also wasn't a great scouting director. Shirley seems to have recovered from FO panic picks, and still fleshed out good 2-20 drafts.

You're going to have to flesh this out for me. You're saying .... the White Sox, in trading Madrigal, jettisoned a guy who was cleaving the team right down the middle with his beliefs, but was actually the glue that would have held the team together? MIND BLOWN!!!

Romy Gonzalez is 28. I've had it beaten into my head that he's too old, and won't be here for the next "competitive window", thus disqualifying him. All Baseball players must be 23 or they're bums. That's the rule. LOL.

Because he was injured, and the Cubs took him for Craig Kimbrel. For all everybody complains, Madrigal produced fine when he was in the lineup. He couldn't stay on the field.

Do you mean that a bunch of jaded vets who wouldn't even support a teammate coming back from chemo were "torn apart" by a rookie bible thumper? That's quite the accusation. Your argument that Vaughn's "leadership" has turned this team into a juggernaut seems to fall short.

The whole point is to roster prospects they think they can work with. Canario is a guy who needs a lot of work. It's fair that a lot of organizations looked at him and decided he was either a waste of a roster spot, or his problems weren't in the wheel house of what they can work with. They have years to work with a guy like George Wolkow, or even Workman. The whole point of prospects is to get multiple players in multiple levels, and maybe one will be ready. Am I "excited" about Fletcher, Julks, DeLoach, Mitchell and Colas? No. But Fletcher looks like he can replace Palacios and play better defense. That's all you're looking for, right now, not a guy who's going to turn into A-Rod. And they are working with C. Montgomery. That's why you keep drafting guys like Bonemer and trading for William Bergollas.

Me neither. Jokes are free.

And as far as Vaughn's supposed "leadership" qualities, Elko's a big time Christian, and team leader going way back. Pure character guy. I'm all for a straight swap. I'd cut Palacios and Dalbec. Select Fletcher, Elko. Option Vaughn. I guess that leaves another 26 man slot open. Hello, Greg Jones!

Passed through waivers and accepted an outright assignment. Apparently, dude has no value. No other teams wanted him.

Apparently, there isn't. Pittsburgh doesn't seem to have fixed Canario after a month. And the problem is, if they make it to the end of the season with him and still see something to fix, they have to do it all over at the major league level next year, too. If the Sox see anything in Jones, they can do it at AAA. If they see anything in Workman, they just need to stow him for 5 more months, then they have about 7-8 years of control with 3 options. Hell, Workman probably hits better than Amaya right now, and might play the same level of defense, which is above average.

Yeah, hockey lost me once they started wearing helmets.

Elko is a much better defensive 1B, and has a robust hit tool. He's also worked to whittle down his strikeouts, whereas Vaughn is starting to feel like he's ... dare I say it ... uncoachable?

Oh well. Nobody's banking on his hit tool developing. He's reported to be capable of elite CF defense. He's a place holder. Rebuilding teams still need to play all the games. You guys should really talk to a professional about the shame you take on over "the worst team in baseball" cutting a player we picked up. That really doesn't register with me.

I thought Getz had culpability in every single move the previous regime made, just by being part of it. Pick a lane, grandpa.

That's what called AAA depth. And yes, AAA depth should be able to step in and play a position for a couple of weeks in the absence of the intended starter. It's stupid to keep trotting out the "no other teams wanted him" canard. He costs a 40-man roster slot. There are monetary and opportunity costs to that. Using a million words wouldn't help you make sense of your rantings. You keep brining up Greg Jones. The point of AAA depth is to be able to fill a spot on the major league roster. Jones has elite speed, and is said to play elite CF defense. That already exists. They don't have to teach Jones how to run or how to catch a baseball in the major leagues. If Getz runs into a situation where he trades Robert and Taylor gets injured, he has somebody on the 40-man who could stand in CF for a few games while they figure out their roster. Jones also offers the flexibility of an option, which Canario doesn't. So for the role he has to fill, I'd give Getz a B+ for acquiring an actual CF as depth who can be shuttled back and forth from AAA to MLB.

There isn't anything wrong with wanting a guy like Canario. I thought he'd be an interesting pickup. I'm sentient enough to understand the drawbacks to rostering a guy like Canario and trying to fix him at the major league level, and not rail on day after day for our GM taking a pass on this particular case. Hey, look!! He picked up another guy he has to roster all season, but the 2nd guy has positional flexibility, and more than one carrying tool. He's also taken huge steps towards solving his own swing and miss problems. It's also a situation, where if they get through this season with him on the 26-man, they have him for 5 more years, with 3 options. And if they rostered Canario, I wouldn't be screaming after every strikeout how the GM who signed him sucks and has no business baseball.

Why would I question Getz for picking up a LH bat on a minor league contract during the off-season? Maton had a hot spring training, and 3 key injuries to starters opened a spot for him. That happens every year on multiple teams. Guy plays his way onto the 26-man. Big deal. All of that is true and not a misrepresentation of anything. You also seem to have a fixation on players passing through waivers unclaimed without considering that other teams might have to cut a player to claim Maton, or maybe they're good with their LHH depth in AAA. Again, not a huge indictment for signing a player to a minor league contract. Need I remind you, the White Sox are in a rebuild, and it's assumed their players won't be as good as those on contending teams. No lie. If there was a choice between Maton and Canario, it was a choice between a LHH with ML experience who also had the defensive flexibility to play IF and OF, and a RHH corner OF with one carrying tool. I actually think Getz made a better choice in taking Workman who will be a step up from Amaya, and has already taken steps towards solving his own swing and miss problems. So, yeah, I'll give Getz a C- for being left with Maton as the best 26th man after a slew of injuries, I'll give him a B for picking up Workman, and an A+ for avoiding the clusterfuck of a mediocre OF prospect who will strike out even while sitting on the bench.