SoxBlanco

If the Joc trade gets announced in the next couple days and Laz Rivera is one of the guys we trade, then this guy will start to have some credibility. He’s the only one that has mentioned Laz, right?

The rumor was that we give up Bummer, Fulmer, and lower level guy (maybe Laz Rivera).

Does this mean they will both start the year at AAA?

Yep. And right after that, a story leaks about how the Padres are offering a deal with an opt out after three years.

And the opt outs have to be right. I’m guessing Manny’s side is asking for an opt out after 3 years, and we aren’t giving him that. That’s where the creative clauses come into play.

So San Diego wants a face-to-face meeting before raising their interest level, but now they have made a tempting offer? Good effort, Lozano. Too bad nobody buys it.

And raBBit? Seems pretty clear that something was in the works. It either fell through, or it will get announced in the next couple of days. My guess is that the Joc trade is announced by the end of the day on Wednesday.

Who do you think Machado will sign with?

Up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B, A, Start

I have never once thought we should just move on.

Yep. And that’s why this has been described as very frustrating for Hahn. An that’s also why we shouldn’t just offer more to get this done, like some are suggesting.

So if Manny is asking for 8 years and $450 million, you’re giving it to him? If your answer is no, then there must be a cap to what you are willing to give right now. And then you’d be in a negotiation and you wouldn’t want to offer that cap right now. And that’s exactly where Hahn is at.

Isn’t that how every negotiation ever goes?

To the people saying we shouldn’t screw around and let other teams enter the race, what exactly do you want the Sox to do? Let’s say our offer is 8 for $250 right now. If we said, “Alright, let’s make it 8 for $275,” do you think he would all of a sudden sign? No way. They would just say that’s not enough and we’d be in the same spot now, except with a higher offer, which is exactly what Lozano wants. You have to ask their side what it would take to sign. I’m sure that number is astronomically high, but then you negotiate, which is I’m sure what has been happening. I also think the opt outs are causing a problem right now. I’m guessing Lozano wants one after 3 years and we are refusing to give that.

The point of my post was not to compare Quintana and Shields, because there’s no argument there. My point was that it’s ridiculous to claim one front office is clearly better than another because of one trade.

And the Cubs got absolutely boned in the Quintana deal. Does that mean Hahn is obviously better than Theo?

I’ve been waiting for a leak like this with opt out specifics. After what Hahn said today, I think the hold up might be as much to do with opt outs as it has to do with the dollar amounts.

Not if Lozano is refusing to accept anything that isn’t close to what he wants. No reason to offer $300 when no other teams are even at $250 right now.

This is exactly how I feel.

They aren’t missing out on both.

I think almost everybody on this board thinks we will land Machado. But that doesn’t mean they aren’t disappointed that nothing got announced today.

palehose1 is not a user here. It was a user from MLBTR.

Did Yolmer FaceTime him too?!?! ?

Last night, raBBit said this...”paleose1 is legitimate and an impressive guy.” People directly asked him what he meant, and he didn’t answer. It seems like he was purposely being cryptic and having fun with the fact that he had inside information. And to me, that’s completely fine. I don’t lose any sleep over it, but I think that’s what people are referring to.

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