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But Clevinger is going to cost the same as Giolito, and possibly a little more. Signing Clevinger and trading Giolito isn’t a move a “cheap” team would make to help them financially.

@Pal This the name you heard?

If the Sox had a solid manager last year instead of TLR, how many more games do you think they would have won?

I still feel like TLR had his hand in that signing…and then proceeded to make it look even worse by playing him every day.

Always appreciate the info, Pal. Happy Thanksgiving. Do you know which SP? No worries if you’re not at liberty to say.

Me too. We’re talking about a team that was the HEAVY favorite to win the division last year. Now all of a sudden the Sox are the third best team? No way. Last year was literally a “whatever can go wrong will go wrong year”, with the worst manager alive on top of that. Now that manager is gone. Yes, so is Abreu, but other than that, it’s basically the same team. And hopefully the loss of Abreu isn’t as big, considering it could mean we have better outfield defense. If I had to bet right now, I’m taking the Sox to win the division.

I know. I would like to add Wong. But when the payroll is apparently so limited, I don’t want to spend $10M on a second basemen, especially when it means giving up prospects.

If we make a trade, will Milwaukee pick up all $10M? And will they be requesting no top 30 prospects in return? If so, then I’m interested.

Me too. It was exactly what we needed at the time. Just like Nimmo this offseason.

November 21 is the day we made a big move early in the offseason in 2019 by signing Grandal. So who are we signing tomorrow?

Eh, it’s kind of fun to see what the 26 man roster might look like if the season started today and then how that evolves as the offseason progresses. I like the thread.

Orlando didn’t have any real connections, did he?

Do you have guesses on who runs that Twitter account?

The Grandal signing made perfect sense because we desperately needed a guy who could work counts and take walks, and he has given us exactly that. Yes, his defense is not what you would hope for in a catcher, but if it was that detrimental to a team, Grandal wouldn’t have made the playoffs 7 straight years before 2022.

Maybe if we started hitting more home runs that would be different.

This is honestly the most concerning thing with Grandal. He might have been the slowest runner in the history of baseball last season.

I haven’t seen anything, but I’m not claiming he WILL bounce back. I have no clue, and you have no clue. What I do know is that Grandal is only 14 months removed from a time when he was completely carrying the team on offense. I don’t expect to see that Grandal again, but I do think a wRC+ in the 105/110 range is more likely than the 68 he put up last year.

You are assuming he can’t play on a major league roster based on last year. If we are willing to give up major assets to help the team, I’d rather give up those assets for a different position. That doesn’t mean I would hate a Murphy trade, but I would need to see all the corresponding moves before fully getting on board.

Grandal's number the past two years are pretty crazy: 2021: 375 PA, 158 wRC+ 2022: 376 PA, 68 wRC+ Seems impossible to fall off a click that badly unless injuries are a significant factor. So the question becomes whether those injuries are lingering/permanent now. None of us know the answer to that question.

Is that 1.000 career BABIP sustainable? If so, I'll take him.

Correct.

No he didn’t.

Absolutely. And I'm not convinced Grandal is completely washed. I don't think he will ever be what he was in his prime, but I expect him to be much better than last year if he can stay healthy (yes, I know that's a big "if"). Hell, we're only about 14 months removed from a time when Grandal was completely carrying the offense.

When I read that tweet, my first thought was… ”Nice, Hahn is already trying to get inside the agents’ heads by making it seem like we don’t need to sign any outfielders.”

This is simply false.