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Honestly, makes even less sense to me then. They traded two MLB assets to acquire Kimbrel to go all-in. Now they're going to turn around and trade Kimbrel, while they're "all-in" for assets that don't even help the MLB ball club?

I don't even want Manaea. I hate acquiring A's pitchers. That ballpark is a pitchers heaven and those guys leave there and weird things happen. I wouldn't hate the move if it wasn't for much, but it just doesn't move the needle for me. Joc/Rosario would be god awful.

The problem with trading is it takes a partner and there's certainly some pride involved on Hahn's side. Any MLB player brought back's salary would hamper what they have to spend. Any MiLB player brought back might require a couple $'s. I guess we'll see. Hahn waiting on an injury in camp or something.

"Our team is on the field." The Sox plan on putting 3 potentially horrendous defensive players on the field at once for much of the year; if the Burger at 2nd base possibilities are to be beleived.

That guy, no idea who he is, said they could spend some more if they trade Kimbrel. I honestly think that's a much bigger if than people realize though.

I saw Chris Martin signed for 2.5 million with the Cubs. I just had to laugh. The Sox gave Vince Velasquez 3 million. Martin very likely to be about as productive as Joe Kelly. The Sox just have no idea how to value MLB players.

We're all talking about holes too. If the White Sox force Vaughn/Engel to play right field, that means the DH is Sheets. I know Sox fans like Sheets, he looked solid last year, but he is far from a for sure producer. The Sox honestly have a hole at DH, RF and 2B. I think Vaughn can be productive and fill one slot, but there's no guarantee there either. It's very possible the Sox have three holes in their lineup and a hole in the rotation.

The bullpen is one thing, but 11 million dollars to utility guys is the back breaker here. Better to just go into the off-season knowing this team doesn't spend at that end of the market. The Sox set the market at 30+ year old catchers and closers... and utility infielders. When it comes to big time everyday contributors, that's out of their range. The Sox are so unoften involved at that sect of the market that when they do get there (Wheeler) they make sure everyone in baseball knows what they offered lol. Paying 29 million dollars to a set up man and a closer is just.... so White Sox. The MONEY was spent.

Not even just that they should have, it's that he cost the same as the two scrubs they decided to sign. The Sox view two scrubs as depth as opposed to signing one actual starter as... you know, a starter. Having an actual starter sure limits the amount of "depth" you need. The Harrison move to me is as inexcusable to me as the Eaton signing. No one was lining up to give Eaton that contract and I guarantee you no one was lining up to give Josh Harrison 5.5 million dollars. Harrison was making 2 million and one million since he left Pitt. Even in Pitt in his "prime" he was making just over 6 million on his long term contract. I actually like plenty of what Hahn does, but his evaluations at the bottom of the market are just so atrociously bad.

And Yet, Cesar Hernandez was BETTER than Josh Harrison last year, the year before, the year before that, and the year before that. WIth that performance that... just sucked. Just because you didn't have to watch Harrison suck, doesn't mean he didn't suck. The Sox spent 13 million on Harrison/Leury/Velasquez. They could have had a competent second baseman for that price. Heck, Simmons can't hit but he can do one thing really well at least. He would have been a better get. The Sox could have signed Eduardo Escobar with their Harrison/Leury $ and still had their 3 million left over for Velasquez.

We have a dramatically different definition of competently. The Sox payroll scales because they waste so much money on these little trash moves. They have spent 13 million dollars on Harrison/Leury/Velasquez. That's basically what it costs to get a guy like Jean Segura; an actual competent second baseman. Who would you rather have, Romy and Segura or that package of trash they have now?

It's the White Sox MO. They try and nickle and dime star players, to the point that they usually lose them to other teams in FA. Meanwhile, they overpay for scrubs and don't care about the nickles and dimes for them. It's just backwards logic. Guys like Leury and Josh Harrison are a dime a dozen, in a lot of cases they can be had with minor league invites! The Sox feel the lock those guys in by overpaying whatever market they even have, and then they go cheap for actual impact players.

The guy was signed to be the starter. I'm not sure what you've missed. It's not a depth piece. The Sox don't have a second baseman. They let go of one who was cheaper and better than the guy they signed. There's no rational for the move. The Sox gave 5.5 million to a guy who was almost out of baseball two years ago.

Where was this phantom speculation. The irony of this post is that for as bad as Cesar was since his acquistion by the Sox, Josh Harrison was about as bad after he was acquired by Oakland. What winning pedigree does Josh Harrison have? A's fans loved a guy who had a .637 OPS and a .296 OBP. What in the world?

OK, let's go back to 2015. Josh Harrison since 2015 has one season over 2 fWAR. He's accumulated 6.5 fWAR total in 677 games. Even with going back to his prime years, he has averaged a whopping 1.5 fWAR per 162 games. He is now about to be 35 and his game has regressed, he apparently had an injury problem for three years in a row lol, and he's projected to be a 1 WAR player by pretty much every metric. The guy he was signed to REPLACE as the starter, who I have dogged on endlessly as having no business starting for a championship calibar team, has averaged 1.7 fWAR since 2017, is 5 years younger, and was better last year (Leury) I have no idea how anyone in their right mind could defend signing Josh Harrison to START!

Elite production? How about someone who isn't worse than the guy they let go, Cesar, and who signed for cheaper than Harrison???! The Sox signed Harrison for more than Cesar signed for. The last three years there's literally nothing about Harrison's game that is better than Cesars and Cesar is a good bit younger. The incompetence of the Harrison signing deserves all the ridicule it can get.

He's 35 years old and in 2018, 2019 and 2020 he put up a total of zero fWAR combined. A team with championship aspirations shouldn't have Josh f'ing Harrison as their starting 2nd baseman. He was RELEASED by the fucking Tigers two years ago.

Harrison isn't a competent starter by any means.

The 11 million on Harrison and leury honestly makes my head spin.

I wouldn't even want montas.

I'm not going to go into this again, as I've already gone through this during the trade and I actually think people are being a little too hard on kimbrel right now (crazy), but there were underlying concerns about his stuff declining, command beginning to waver and fastball losing effectiveness.

You keep using this spring training excuse, but Kimbrel has been declining since his last year and a half in Boston.

No, you're just playing way more games versus the NL.

You're still playing in your division 14 times versus 6 out of division.

When Jerry bumped the payroll above 160 million he demanded they cut the Asian scout to save some money?