Look at Ray Ray Run

I've really come around on Schwarber in the last 12 months or so; definitely agree that he appears to have found an approach that works for him, is attacking his pitch more often. Think he has a big 4 years under this deal. Has a chance to be a 950 OPS player every year. Sox should have pushed for this given that they have no DH.

Also, the Sox roster is around the 4th or 5th best in the AL. Adding in the NL, and the Sox have around the 8-9th best roster in baseball. If you want to call that one of the "best rosters in baseball" go right ahead, but I'll go ahead and disagree with that sentiment. They didn't lose on purpose for three years, tear it down, and rebuild to come out of it with a back end of the top 10 rosters in the MLB. That's not success in my opinion. Could a roster at that level win a World Series? Sure, anyone who gets into the playoffs can, but that certainly wasn't the goal when they put together this core.

Eloy is not moving from LF. I have no idea where some people come up with this shit. The White Sox put Eloy back in LF last year after he badly injured himself. They're not moving him out of LF. There's literally no evidence the Sox intend to move Eloy out of LF, regardless of what you think or what scenario's you've dreamed up in your head. So we're again back at... Sheets is very possibly your DH. You just said we didn't need Schwarber because we don't need a DH, and then you said that Sheets is a depth piece and shouldn't be starting as a DH. And I'm the one who talking to is like smashing your head into a wall. My goodness.

@ChiSox59 reading comprehension not your strength, bud? You named sheets AND the sox starting left fielder who is eloy. No where did i say you called sheets the sox starting left fielder please don't try to dunk on me when you don't even know what was said

Who said you did? Eloy is the teams starting left fielder. Not sure what you don't understand. You named sheets/Eloy as the DH. Given that Eloy is the left fielder, that means sheets is your DH. So the sox don't have a dh as I said. And every off season I gotta listen to people like you say don't birch until it's over lol. How many years of this before you understand the sox don't sign people in confortos price range.

Silly analysis? The Sox spend money like this every off-season. The only one that really impacts the guaranteed money is Conforto too, so really not that silly. Leury/Harrison are both getting about the same amount of guaranteed dollars as Escobar/Miller. 21.5 million to 23 million. Chris Martin/Knebel are getting less guaranteed than Joe Kelly and Graveman - by a lot to, 41 million to 12.5 million. Kimbrel/Velasquez obviously getting less guaranteed than Conforto who we'll estimate around 85/90 million - so 19 million vs 90 million Total in guarantees: 81.5 million vs 124 million. Give or a take a few for Brad Miller and Conforto. Hardly a 100 million dollar difference and they fill the RF hole.

But you just said the Sox have a DH and then named Sheets and the Sox starting LF lol. So it sounds like, to me, the SOx don't have a DH?

Fair point, but most of that is Conforto.

You honestly believe that Gavin Sheets is a proven DH on a WS contender? Like having Gavin Sheets makes you say... I don't want Kyle Schwarber instead? THat's crazy imo. Eloy Jimenez is the teams starting LF'er.

The Sox spent: Velasquez - 3 million Leury - 5.5 million Harrison - 5.5 million Kimbrel - 16 million Kelly - 8.5 million Graveman - 8 million Total = 46.5 million Sox could have spent: Escobar - 10 million Chris Martin - 2.5 million Conforto - 22 million Knebel - 10 million Brad Miller - guessing 2.5-3 million Total - 47-48 million

The Sox have a DH?

Can't wait to see the brad miller contract. Hahn gave 3 years to leury lol.

Imagine tanking for three years to rebuild your team and then when you finally reach your window you decide being the 4th or 5th best team in thr AL is good enough

Only way the sox can acquire anything is by giving up more of the very limited player assets they do have lol.

With no real young talent in the wings, which is why this is so maddening. They've got two years to get this done.

You don't through the tea leaves well, huh?

Vaughn needs to see tough big league righties with hard sliders. That's his achilles heel and that's what he has to learn to hit and lay off. He's not going to do that in AAA.

While the projection data was not perfect for Eloy and Robert, there were a couple analysis done on value lost to injuries last year and the Sox weren't even in the top 15 in baseball.

Yeah, I'm just not on board with Sheets taking away big league at bats from Vaughn. I just see no world where Sheets is more important to this teams future than Vaughn. I could be wrong, but I think the Sox caught lightening in a bottle with Sheets last year and expecting him to be a productive MLB DH is just too much imo. Vaughn ceiling as an offensive player is just so much higher, and wasting MLB at-bats on Sheets everyday instead of Vaughn would be a mistake imo. My concern with Lynn is he's a pantload and he doesn't believe in conditioning and he's 35 years old.

The Sox have 6 proven big league hitters in their lineup, and three complete question marks. I don't need them to be the Dodgers, but they could certainly try to be Toronto? And before you say the Sox have a higher payroll than Toronto; 1, I think Toronto makes another splash to get close; 2, toronto doesn't have 30 million tied up in two relievers.

Right, and honestly last year so many things went right for them to have the outcome they did. I know some things went wrong with injuries, but injuries happen to every team. Robert has a history of injuries. Eloy has a history of injuries. Tim misses at least 20-30 days a season. Grandal is nearing a mid-30's catcher. Last year the Sox had a AAA player carry their offense for a month. They had a 2 million dollar SP dominate baseball for over a half. Cease, Lynn and Giolito were all pretty much healthy all year with Cease taking a huge step forward. Everyone in their division had horrible years. They got servicable performances from guys who are out of baseball. The Sox relying on continued development of young guys is just such a risky play by them. They needed to support these guys, not ride their backs solo the rest of the way.

Meanwhile, people on the board are saying we are misunderstanding that the lineup is stacked and you don't need to have an all-star at every position and having a couple weak spots is fine for a WS contender... all the while, the Dodgers said hold my beer while I sign Freddie Freeman.

Yeah, I think people have really undersold the fact that the Sox don't have a DH. All this talk about Vaughn/Sheets in RF potentially being a "hole." Well, if we don't sign anyone they're both starting everyday. If Gavin Sheets was bad, would that honestly be that surprising? If he's bad, does that mean it's Harrison/Leury/Engel between 2B and RF while Vaughn DH's? That's how it's set up right now. Just horribly mismanaged.

Or 2nd base, if Burger plays there.