Look at Ray Ray Run

Should soxtalk rebuild soxtalk?!?!

So now guys who were pitching bad and replaced equal lost due to injury. lol The Padres are worse than the White Sox despite spending 40 million more. Thanks for clarifying that for us all. The Indians have a run differential of THREE, so you're right, it is a miracle they are even close to the Sox in the standings. It's called luck, it happens every year to someone.

He had the third highest fWAR among 2nd baseman in the AL when he got hurt, so he was certainly in the conversation.

The growth of offensive production is barely greater than it is in a normal season as the weather warms. It is slightly above the average rate of growth over the past ten years, but it's not something that may not just be noise or related to the fact that offenses started slower than before as well. A couple points. 1. Pitchers were going to hit dead arm periods earlier this year than in your typical season as they are reaching innings totals that are above last year already - which means pitcher fatigue was likely to set in sooner this year than your typical mid-July fatigue. 2. Offense has been trending downward for multiple years and that trend merely continued this year. There's no way that has been directly caused by more pitchers using sticky substances. The offensive decline this year is very likely tied to the fact that MLb changed the baseball when offenses were already trending down. 3. Spin rates have ALWAYS had variances start to start, the same way velocity does. Have substances effected spin, sure. Have they caused this entire offensive decline? Absolutely not. 4. Lance Lynn may have benefited from some increased spin - obviously he did to an extent - but did he benefit the way people in this thread believe? Absolutely not. The misuse of data and statistics around this issue has driven me crazy. Data was never meant to paint a picture AFTER you wrote your theory. It was meant to be analyzed versus a vast amount of information and then analyzed. As of now, all people are doing is confirmation bias where they ignore past years offenses changes as the year goes on, ignore the baseball change, ignore the offensive decline in general, and ignore the fact that as the season goes on pitchers tie, injuries pile up and offensive production grows. Lance Lynn and Dylan Cease aren't now bad pitchers because they can't put as much grip on a baseball. Is it entirely meaningless? No, but does it impact the game to the point that is being inferred by many here? Absolutely not. This is another example of baseball not getting out of its own way and "analytical" people distorting data to confirm their preconceived conclusions.

Yeah, I'm talking impact and accounting for Depth as well. Much of the Astros missed time early was COVID related - Yordan, Correa and etc missed for that. All in all, until Bregman got hurt the Astros had their core guys together minus Tucker. Losing 33% of your lineup, and 3 all-star calibar players at that - is not something anyone else is dealing with. Although the Sox have been relatively healthy pitching wise.

No one has lost as much as the White Sox during the season. You're counting Lindor, Carrasco and Clevinger who were literally traded and never relied on by the team this year. This is a Caufield esque comp. Bregman just got hurt this week lol. Verlander, again, was never being relied on. The Mets lost even more? Oh my.

I was jokingly going to make a thread asking if the White Sox were now the worst team in baseball, but I see that someone actually seriously started a similar thread so I'll just let this joker of an idea speak for itself. I am hoping the OP and others who participated in this thread seriously are just messing around, if not... please, watch a different sport. Baseball is not for you.

Lol you guys are unbelievably hilarious

Why you had your worst defensive outfielder in right and not left no one knows.

Weird, a "new poster" being critical of the best team in baseball because they lost a game.

Josh Rojas would be an interesting option if Arizona would be willing to be open to moving him. Young guy who hits lefty so would help with the right handed issues, and could be a decent piece the next few years.

Frazier is 29/30 years old

He's been a below average major leaguer every year but one of his career. You cannot guarantee me that he's better than Danny Mendick so why would I trade anything that could ever even be a MLB player for him?

He had a 119, 111 and 129 wRC+ the three years prior to the trade. His defensive ratings were bad, but he certainly wasn't a "bust." Frazier has never had a 120+ game season over 100 wRC+ and the one season he was at 116 he played 113 games.

The Cubs gave up two bums to acquire Castellanos who is much better than Frazier. While Frazier has one more year of control, I don't think you'd have to give up anything but complete wild cards for Frazier.

The problem with Frazier is that he's been good for about 220 at bats of his entire career.

Why not? He has three pitches and has shown an ability to maintain velocity into the 35-40 pitch count. Build up that arm strength and it goes further.

Dylan Cease as a 3.27 FIP this year and is tied for 17th in all of baseball for pitchers with a 1.8 fWAR with Julio Urias and guys on this site still discuss him like he's some bum who is going to suck any minute now. Truly amazing stuff. Lance Lynn fWAR is 1.9, ftr.

The White Sox are 3rd in baseball in position player WAR and third in baseball in wRC+ without three of their better players. This entire narrative that they've been offensively bad and challenged is complete nonsense.

All the Yaz haters have become very ill from swine flu from all the crow they've been eating this year!

Yaz Mania!

Hey Tony, don't get up too quickly to support your team while the umpire bends them over in the biggest spot of the game or anything!

evan marshall still in the game. lololo

surely my buddy chitown castrated Mendick for his error as he would have Madrigal, right?!?

i would have bet 1 million dollars marshall would blow that game right there. amazing stuff. bummer hasn't been flawless but he still looks 10 times better than marshall even when he struggles. either leave bummer in or go get hendriks.