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It sucks to say it, and it's a shitty thing to experience as a fan. The Sox used to live in a pretty nice house. It wasn't the best house, but it had it's moments and memories. It had some serious flaws with it's foundation, and some plumbing challenges which needed repair, but they spent to money on upgrading the kitchen and entertainment room for cosmetic reasons. The core issues needed repair. Chris Getz came in, blew the entire house up, replaced it with a 300 sq foot one story house made of plywood. All his supporters are yelling about how he fixed the foundation and it's not leaking anymore... It's madness.

The way he talks about the Mets, you'd think they set the MLB record for losses in a season.

This has nothing to do with hindsight, Einstein. Luhnow was a top GM candidate who was obtained via a search process where multiple candidates were interviewed. He was in charge of Cardinals minor leagues during a stretch where the team made the playoffs 9 out of 12 years, including TWO World Series wins and certainly never lost 100 games. Chris Getz has been in the White Sox organization since 2016. In that time, they've lost 100 + games TWICE as often as they made the playoffs. Stearns and Luhnow were HIGHLY qualified candidates who were hired based on merit. Edit: I don't have much basis for it? The White Sox are the worst organization in professional baseball since Getz took over. How is there not much basis? What the hell are you watching, pal? Is it the same thing we're all watching?

So you didn't bring up Luhnow and Stearns as reference points to Getz? Oh and young people get hired into entry-level roles where people with 40 years experience aren't employed. Every comparison you make or excuse you level is a train wreck.

I keep reading that the Sox are rebuilding so their record doesn't matter. The White Sox are not rebuilding, they're simply bad. Baseball has changed dramatically, and while people keep pointing to the Astros as a case of a team who was very bad and got good, they share nothing in common with the current White Sox. During the Astros "rebuild" years, they were able to draft at the top of the draft every one - unlike today. During the Astros rebuild, they had a top 10 farm system in baseball from 2012 to 2019! Seven straight years, with 4 being in the top 5. The White Sox, who have the 2nd worst record in baseball, don't even have a top 15 system today. Plenty of teams are just bad, and the majority of teams who are really bad don't become very good with those group of players. The White Sox are one of the laughing stocks of baseball, yet some fans believe their used car salesman GM that he's turning the organization around. Lastly, people claiming the Sox stopped spending on players so they could reallocate resources crack me up. The cost of the things the Sox have invested in are likely less than 5 million dollars total. Not even the cost of one player. The White Sox organization and fan base is dying, but some here love the direction the team is heading. It's is absolutely fascinating. To all the rebuild claimers, what are the White Sox rebuilding around? What is their edge in the market? What advantage do they have? The answer to anyone who is being honest is nothing.

This guy is still comparing Getz to Stearns. And now hes comparing him to Luhnow. This is unbelievable. The amount of delusion about Chris Getz is incredible.

But hey, at least they have like the 17th ranked farm system in baseball to hang their hat on and supplement all these studs here today and they hired that biomechanics guy to break noah schultz. Big wins all around.

No matter how you splice it, Getz is terrible at his job and this is an awful baseball team. They've dropped the bar so low that people are "excited" because they actually have a few MLB caliber players. Colson and Teel look like dudes. Smith a nice arm imo. The rest don't belong as full time MLB starters. After that, it's a bunch of having to dream on a guy... or someone that needs to do things they haven't done prior. They should have traded Grant Taylor at deadline with those prices for young controlled relivers or this off season if they're not going to start him. I'd move Cannon to the bullpen. I can't believe people think this team isn't favored to lose 100 games next year without major investment in talent which we all know isn't happening.

When theyre actively selling their shares in the company, it's absolutely a part of the equation.

Yeah, and 2022 while they stated they lost 53 million, the investors themselves saw a 13% gain YoY in valuation (after operating loss) which came in north of 240ish million in total gains.

I think you've been pushing this narrative way too hard. TV deal issue past 18+ months been tough, but theres no chance this team lost money in playoff years. Jerry wouldnt continue to increase payroll if he was losing money badly. It also makes zero sense that the team would be bleeding money badly yet Jerry has no interest in getting out from under it. Has this team taken on debt the past few years? Absolutely. Does that mean they're bleeding cash and have to act like the cheapest org in professional baseball? Obviously not in my opinion.

You know it's bad when they're bragging about hot stretches of .440 baseball.

Tax data and cost of labor data provided by comp surveys from sources like mercer and bls outputs are more accurate predictors of COL which correlates directly to household income. They're also much more recent.

I said $4000 higher too pal, not 4x higher. Very big difference.

Census data is old. Not sure if you understand..chicago metro has had a higher income growth rate over the past 5 years which is how I got my numbers. Because it turns out the cost of labor on chicago is higher than the cost of labor in Nashville. I know this as a fact, hence how I knew your median income number was complete nonsense. Just like your population numbers were estimates and wrong, so were your median income numbers. You seem to have a hard time understanding that the goal is to have more people so you need less of them to attend to fill the stadium Nashville is not a serious market for the White Sox, and your trend assessments are comical. Nashville would have to grow at 500% the rate chicago has been growing each year for 20 years to even match half the population. Obviously that isnt happening and no one thinks it will.

You think Nashville has more money than Chicago? Nashville is 20% the size of Chicago. The estimated value of a Nashville start up franchise is 1 billion..the Sox are worth twice that much. What you are saying is simply not feasible from a business perspective. Ive explained this before, but ishbia wouldnt buy in at a franchise valuation around 2 billion and cut his investment value in half by moving the team. Also, why are you posting aged estimates for population? Glad to see you admitted its grown after proclaiming its shrinking. Chicagos metro median income is 4k higher than nashville's too so no idea what youre talking about with nashville being 1.7× higher.

Yup, which for a baseball team doesnt really matter. What matters is population that is around the team. TV markets dont care if youre in city limits or metro limit.

.500 prior to what? Yes, im watching the second worst team in baseball and you appear to be watching replays of major league and jack parkman to assess the White sox.

How can i say that? Because there are 100 chase meidroths in baseball and he's the opposite of a rare commodity.

Name the ways. I just presented facts that the Chicago metro area is continuing to grow and expand. Please show me one statistic that says Chicago is shrinking. Ive heard a lot of this bs narrative that doesnt align with actual population growth. I dont think you understand how large Chicago is relative to other markets. You compared it to Nashville which is laughable.

I guess you justgottabelieve. The Sox three of those guys now and 1 of them is 36. Meidroth amazingly is not one of those guys.

This isnt how statistics work.

The Brewers have 9 guys who have 200+ PA's who have a wRC+ of 110 or better (Range is 110-144 Vaughn ha). If you can fill an entire lineup with guys who are 10%+ better than league average, you'll have a really good offense.

Meidroth is a long way from being a top 5 second baseman and the problem with him is it's very possible he's already a maxed out player.

There haven't been more than 2 5WAR catchers in a season since 2013. Only 3 catchers have averaged 5+ WAR per year over a 4+ year stretch in the past 30 years -- they'll all be hall of famers. If the Sox get a Hall of Fame catcher for Crochet, I would agree it's a reasonable deal as I said earlier. I have high hopes for Teel, but I'm not sure I'm ready to call him Buster Posey Jr. yet. Meidroth being a league average or below league average infielder doesn't really move the needle. Him being a consistent 3 WAR player is quite the reach from the skill's he's shown now, but hopefully he'll surprise me!