Look at Ray Ray Run

Vargas specifically is achieving about where he was expected when the Dodgers traded him. Meaning his full season projections today are around where they were when the Dodgers decided he wasn't in their future plans and they'd seen enough. Zips, for example, had him at about a 1.5 WAR player then have him as so now.

I do have enough data to look at it but I've had a hard time getting someone to define post-hype prospect. The implications here would be that models move projections too soon, and weight that mlb performance too heavily, for a given subset of former prospects deemed post hype. I would be interested in diving into this but need some fixed parameters that aren't feels.

Yeah, I don't see it. In your example, 55fv guys that don't get extended run usually have a very good reason for it, since a majority are given long leashes, which led to their future projections to tank. I have significant doubts there's a market edge in a space where there's a ton of data out there. Once you get to the big leagues and put in 400-500+ AB's, the projections tighten -- the error bars don't get wider. Harder to find edges there but who knows. I don't want this to be an indictment on this deal, as I like it.

Keeping tauch is almost as egregious as not trading houser to me.

Wrist injuries scare me as they can zap power so that makes a lot of sense.

I'm actually surprised no other team viewed him as the deadline wildcard he could have been.

People have been citing it as a market inefficiency without actually supporting it with anything but feels. Still love this return as much opinions on Houser are pretty known.

Guy mashed between 20yr and 22. Wonder what's happened since. Also seemed like a few injuries.

Some article was recently bumped by some writer who called this trade the worst trade ever made by the Phillies. Obviously it was brought forward because Sanchez is a Cy Young candidate, but hilarious to see this come full circle.

Trades a win undoubtedly, I just found that angle coming up again funny.

The "former top prospect" angle strikes again.

To get ANYTHING for a guy you signed off the heap 2 months ago is a win.

Nestor Cortes traded, although I think Nestor is better than Houser.

It could be that the White Sox value Robert more than the league does and that has nothing to do with Roberts actual perceived value being low. Valuable players only get traded when another team agrees with the owning team on the given players value.

Adding Bailey Falter to the list. A BUNCH of guys like Houser have been traded.

JP Sears, Kolek, Zack Littell off the top of my head and I guess some think Mason Miller. Additionally, yes everyone is making moves. There have been many moves today. The White Sox are probably the #1/2 Candidate in baseball to be a seller. They should be selling anything they have for whatever they can get.

Mike Soroka was traded yesterday. When everyone is making moves and youre not, it's likely you misread the market and valued your guys incorrectly. Thats just my opinion of course. Hahn had a couple of those!

Of course, but I don't personally trust Getz to find equal value for these assets, so I'd rather keep the known pieces that are here and hope the rest fills in around it and maybe they spend some money and/or hit on some drafts for once. If Robert's value is really suppressed, I know I wouldn't personally move him because I find his true talent point to be higher. I also understand moving him given his performance so I wasn't going to be too critical of a return barring something that looked like a salary dump. I agree with another posts take that Robert needs lineup protection to excel -- it's something I've come to consider over the last 15 months. He's a mistake hitter who can be taken advantage of when he's worked around, but when you have to go after him he's much more successful. Either way, that catch and jump he got the other night in the right center gap was what makes him so good and fun regardless.

You think the league is colluding to not value Sox players and only send Getz s%*# offers? You can't always excuse a trade or non-trade with the idea that you didn't know the other offers out there. If that's the case, why even come comment here at all?

If I was watching, I'd be screaming as loudly not to trade him as I was about Crochet last year (who I was actually watching). This is entertainment after all, and getting rid of all the entertaining players makes it... well, less entertaining.

Yeah, I agree I wouldn't give Robert away for nothing. He has future value in this league, and he's not worthless to the White Sox. As I already noted, he's by far the most exciting player on their roster.

If the White Sox were giving Robert away for free, with the contract, he would have been traded months ago. The idea that he's not worth his contract throughout the league doesn't hold up for me. Teams are arguing as to what he's worth in addition to his contract --- maybe it's 6 million in surplus, maybe it's 4, maybe it's 8. It's less than the Sox want, but it's certainly not zero.

Something is better than nothing --- there are multiple players on this team that are literally worthless when it comes to the future success of this org, and them moving for a 1/1000 lotto ticket would be better than nothing.

One of my favorite White Sox picks of the last decade. Kid was hampered by being drafted and developed by the Sox but he still made it work.

IDK if they need him, but kid has a 1.47 FIP. He's had some bad luck, but he's been as dominant as it comes.