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You literally just said: "Come on man, because it’s what the White Sox have always done. Get one 32 year old guy, and PR the fuck out of it. You’re gonna hear “we went and signed the richest contract in franchise history” a lot this year. " The implication there was this will be their splash, they'll overplay the signing and return to the status quo now. I'm not sure how else I was supposed to read this quote but for negatively.

I agree; they need to control their K/BB ratio and this is a huge step in that direction. I'm just saying when he slumps he really slumps with the bat - he's had a season hitting 220. I have no issues with it, I just think there will be some fans that complain about his style.

So you think this is going to be the only big move they make... on November 21st, 2019... before the Winter Meetings even start? NO matter what this team does, someone will make it negative. Amazing honestly.

I mean he's a very good baseball player, but he's a low average +power hitter who will strike out a bit. That can drive fans crazy.

Hahn told us the world wants to be a part of this! Grandal: “My family and I are very excited and honored to be a part of the Chicago White Sox organization. I loved their professionalism, preparation and vision towards the future. I want to thank them for allowing me to be a part of this process moving forward.” LOL

I will predict that Grandal's play style will drive some White Sox fans nuts. That said, I loved this quote from Kenny:

I think they'll both catch about 1/2 the games. Grandal will start at 1st base and DH though.

Why would this take them out of the running? You think they're going to be 1 and done? Grandal isn't even that massive of a contract; the length ends perfectly with the core as well.

This is huge for A LOT of reasons. Let's see if I can summarize my thoughts on why this is a huge signing. 1. Timing: The White Sox just inked a major free agent before the Winter Meetings. This means they learned to go in with a top dollar bid and not play games. They signed him in COMPLETE silence; the last update on the market was that it was slow moving and yet, here we are 1 hour later signing Grandal. 2. Silence: However stupid this may be, this team is significantly better when they operate behind closed doors without a ton of leaks and bravado. When they shut up and get it done, that's when there are results. 3. Only the beginning: This is the FIRST signing; this leads me to believe that Grandal was one of the main priorities. This also confirms that his market wasn't as big as many thought. Regardless, I think the Sox may have quite a few larger offers on the table right now trying to wrap up negotiations early. This has me hyped. Don't stop now boys.

Makes sense. He had been a bit archaic and old school for the direction Getz seems to want to take the minor leagues.

I'm not sure why you think theres no doubt. Yermin has 107 games between AA and AAA in his career - his wRC is 147; avg age of 25.9. Collins has played 222 games between AA and AAA with a wRC+ of 135. - avg age of 23.5. Last year Collins played 30 more games and had a 140 wRC+ being 2 years younger than Yermin who had a 150 wRC in fewer games. They are actually very comparable.

Collins is much younger and left handed. While Mercedes has hit at every level, he's also been old for his levels. Collins has hit while being the average age or younger. People hate collins here because fans are impatient and draw sweeping conclusions based on minimal results. I get it, but Collins is far from a finished product whom we should be defining.

Mercedes was a prime R5 candidate with the rosters expanding. If you squint, you could argue he's a 3rd catcher + a 1st base/DH option for a team. That's a versatile enough package, that when paired with a bat that may play up is really enticing. Mainly because he would be attractive to both bad teams and middle tier teams without a true #1 catcher.

You should always get right up to 40 at the deadline.

There's zero chance that any team that is event remotely average is going to stash a guy who couldn't throw a strike or repeat his delivery on the MLB roster for the entire season. A team like Detroit is a risk to claim Hansen as they can afford his badness to be on the MLB roster if they still see a future there.

I never got invited into any cliques. This sucks!

Hes actually even worse defensively. Hes a great case in point for baseball caring a lot less about defense than 1st base WAR does. Bell was a 2.5 WAR player. If he was made available, his package would equal that of a 4-5 WAR talent not A 2.5 WAR talent.

Agreed. I cant decide if taubman is the kind of guy who would fuck over the Astros or if he's the kind of douche who blames mlb baseball and would never help them. Regardless, Luhnow doesnt strike me as the kind of guy who steps down.

Fake twitter rumor.

Two weeks from this upcoming Saturday is when the stove will start to bubble!

No one cares what a single baseball writer thinks a players destination will be. MLBTraderumors does predictions every off-season; based on feedback and things they're hearing and etc. They get about 4-6 out of the top 50 right every off-season. No one has any idea where anyone is signing or going.

This one always feels shitty to me. While you sign an agreement when you take up a job like this - or any job in a data analysis industry - it's likely that Luhnow built a lot of the models himself. The data he built the models with may have even been gathered and monitored based on technology he put in place, but technically that data is owned by the club. While you are being paid by the organization, and they assume the rights of your work once you complete it, it's really hard to work on something for 7 years and then you can't take it with you. It doesn't excuse his actions - for example, Theo had to leave all his information behind and start fresh - but it does feel shitty when you work for something for so long and then have to start over at a new spot.

The concern was never warranted in the first place. Cooper has a nice track record and noticeable impact on very specific arm types. In a tenure as long as his, times will change and failures will happen. Being WILLING to change with the times while pairing that with some old school thoughts that made him successful says a lot about the guy. People love firing coaches in sports; in reality, continuity and consistency at the positions correlates better to success than not.

165 million would put them at the same level as the Astros; do they struggle to compete with the "big boys?" I'm going to go ahead and stop responding as you are derailing the point of the thread with non-relateable posts complaining about completely irrelevant things.

What the heck does any of this have to do with Don Cooper's acceptance and strong embrace of advanced analytics for developing his pitching staff?