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If this was any other labor union in the world, this wouldn't be accepted. Exploiting a workers time to limit their earning potential would be in violation in pretty much any other industry. Yes, you can base a claim on that. This is not my opinion - I am not a labor lawyer and I don't even play one on the internet - but the opinion of my old man who is now retired but was a corporate litigator partner at a major firm for 35 years. I have his email detailing why it's in violation yet for some reason accepted practice because of the industry and the earning power in relation to others. I will see if I can dig it up. FTR, I have no problem with the White Sox doing this as it is the smart decisions and arbitrators have already ruled in favor of teams here... but the arbiters ruling, and language, is nonsense. While it is true that individual talent evaluation vary's from team to team, there are occasional obvious situations where it is not about development. Vlad, Kris Bryant, Eloy and etc. The fact that these teams have been emboldened so much to think this is OK that they call these guys up the day after is what makes the courts decision so terrible.

No it isn't dick. It is not honoring the contract in good faith. As I said, evaluation from organizations is subjective so collusion is hard to prove but it certainly is not written in there the way you are claiming. They are clearly exploiting the service time rules which is not acting in good faith. The fact that players cant prove intent absolutely doesnt mean the front office is following the rules.

They were accused of cheating in a different way last post season. Got the two confused.

LOL this is true. My mistake. Players are still d bags.

For, your first point is very questionable. The white Sox are clearly not acting in good faith - same as the other teams who do it. The loophole is that player evaluation is all subjective. But its not written in the CBA to hold guys down until a day to exploit their service. That's not good faith at all.

A player cheating is pretty different than an organization literally stealing information from another. Also, there is speculation that the Astros are doing shady things with pitchers as well.

I have zero interest in cheating and stealing to win.

Problem is the Astros just won't shut up. If it's not Verlander running his yap it was McCann when he was there... and Bregman and now McHugh. The Astros have a domestic abuser in their clubhouse. The Astros organization has had the most drug suspensions in sports. Maybe the players should worry about their in house issues. Verlander and McCann thought they were the policeman of the game. It's hilarious. Bunch of blowhard clowns. And they hacked and stole information from another team. Organization is trash from the top down.

Jack you seem like a good guy. I don't think you meant anything malicious. Don't sweat it.

Manny looked really good tonight.

Ok, the way that was worded made it sound like he was never on it prior to this year which would just be baffling. It's one of the only advantages the organization has over others.

To add on to that, pitchers make that mistake all the time. They think shedding weight and being more athletic will improve them but there's really nothing that shows that to he the case. Given how intricate pitching mechanics can be, completely altering your body type is going to force you to almost relearn everything again. Glad to see he gained the 40 pounds back. As we used to say to our teammates "dude, you're a pitcher not an athlete."

Something I've never understood is why they dont put their minor league prospects and players on the same shoulder program that they put their big leaguers on. That training program was literally revolutionary in the game - its something you hear about at the college level and pro level. Whatever Schneider came up with is a program that sale took with him to Boston - as did other former white Sox arms. Hansen should have been on that program last year already That's really good news though.

He had a nice season last year.

Coop copying me. Unreal.

Last spring: Adam Engle hit 380 with an 1100 OPS Matt Davidson hit 330 with a 1000 OPS Skole hit 311 with a 950 OPS Chris Volstad threw 14 innings and gave up 0 runs Bruce Rondon threw 5 innings and walked 1 guy Giolito threw 17 innings with a 2 ERA and 17ks. You get where this is going

Today tells us nothing about what nova will do in 2019.

People are moving nova to the pen because of a spring training game. Jeeze.

How anyone can read this post, and then the data I have posted, and think the above position is correct i will never ever know.

A higher percentage of high fastballs are hit for home runs than low fastballs. There are more low fastballs thrown so there are more home runs on those. Here is more data for you and an article you can read. Despite the league CHANGING as I said and guys becoming more low ball hitters than in the past, high pitches still allow for better production for hitters. For a long time, the strategy for facing a slugger was clear. “The best way to limit slugging percentage was to throw down and away and off the plate,” said former MLB catcher and current Chicago Cubs coach John Baker. Baker played from 2008 to 2014, at a time when the bottom was falling out of the strike zone and offense was dropping with it. In 2013, 36.5 percent of throws crossed the plate less than two feet off the ground, and hitters racked up a slash line of just .210/.295/.298 against those pitches. Meanwhile, hitters did considerably better against pitches more than three feet above the plate: .210/.351/.348. Then the league adjusted. More recently, “the guys that are the best guys in the world right now all seem to have this [Mike] Trout-type low-ball swing,” Baker said. Nowadays, the same low pitches that once got hitters out are getting slugged at a rate 20 points higher than in 2013 (.212/.301/.321). While production high in the zone is still decent (.203/.351/.362), the gap between the two types of pitches has closed significantly. 1 It seems as though a wave of young players entered the league with their swings geared to combat the knee-high strike, and that trend reduced the pitch’s effectiveness https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/pitchers-are-slowly-adapting-to-the-home-run-spike/ So yes, while people have become better low ball hitters, it's still better to live down than up. The nice thing about this article is that 538 discusses the rising strike zone too - the low strike hasnt even called like before so pitchers have been forced to put the ball more up in the zone making it more hittable. So yes, the gap has closed (I said this) but living up in the zone is still a good bit more dangerous than living down in the zone.

As the points have been disproven the argument has evolved into something entirely different than the original.

Where did I say it's easier to square one up? And no, you have shown me nothing to refute the two points I've made in this thread. Easier to elevate a high pitch - fact. High pitches have higher EV - fact.

Well dick, I quoted this post made by you to start the conversation so I have no idea why you're quoting a post I never responded too and stating I moved the goal posts. Maybe you can tell me to go to the batting cage again to prove a point.

Parkman literally quoted my sentence that said "its easier to elevate a high pitch than a low one" and said that's wrong when in fact, its literally 100% correct. Somehow I have moved the goal posts though.

My first post in the thread. It's easier to elevate the high pitch than the low one. I have somehow moved the goalposts though. Maybe head to sylvan and work on those reading skills bud.