Look at Ray Ray Run

The Padres the past 10 years in payroll: 2018 - 25th 2017 - 28th 2016 - 16th 2015 - 22nd 2014 - 21st 2013 - 26th 2012 - 30th 2011 - 28th 2010 - 29th 2009 - 29th IN 2010, the Padres nearly had a payroll that was lower than the $ Manny is asking for per year lol. They have never spent more than 112 million in a season. They've spent over 100 million twice in their franchises history. Nothing indicates the San Diego Padres can compete, salary wise, with the White Sox.

The Sox are worth 300 million more than the Padres. They play in one of the three biggest TV markets in the country. They've had top 5 payrolls multiple times in the past 14 years - the Padres have never had a top 5 payroll - I dont even think a top 10 but could be wrong. They just arent the same.

Guys, I've said this before but manny isnt involves in negotiations. You hire agents for a reason. His agent gives him occasional updates but it's not like manny is sitting in a room with Lozano negotiating and getting angry. His agent handles this and will contact him when he is ready to have machado sign.

Belief from who? Jaysus. Enough of this stuff. Same has been said about the Sox and Phillies.

A formal offer not a set number was what they wanted.

If they met his asking price hed be signed. Theres no way they would actually not meet with them if they were going to travel to see him. That would be dumb of Lozano. The more perceived bidders the more pressure you can apply. If he can say, see the Padres really are interested. My skepticism is high because no one gets in late with the idea of spending 250 million that wasnt in the budget when it started... and if by chance that did happen, it certainly wouldnt be the padres.

Why? The Padres have no money. They're not going to lock up 400 million on machado and Hosmer when they have consistently run payrolls under 100 million forever.

There is ZERO chance either one signs a one year deal. The Padres aren't getting either one. They havent even made offers. The Dodgers? Come on man... you're just worried about nothing. The Dodgers and Yankees are out. The Dodgers arent paying high bracket luxury tax. Why would they have room next year but not this year? That makes zero sense. They'll be a year older and less valuable for long term deals too. If they had the money next year they'd have it this.

To who? Everyone who keeps saying this, tell me the two destinations those two go that leaves the Sox in second.

Why are you certain of this? The Phillies have been linked to Harper much more, and the Sox offer hasn't been reportedly too high so why wouldn't they just move in and lock him up? I have no idea why you're certain of this. I tend to believe what was posted above - the Sox and Phillies don't want either team getting a big bargain, but it feels to me the Phillies aren't all-in on Machado.

That was December 3rd pal.

Seems pretty logical to me. They don't want to invest in both, and they feel they have a better shot at harper, so they're not going to throw an offer out there to beat the Sox offer if that offer may be accepted and then they lose out on Harper. I'm not sure why this isn't logical - it makes complete sense in a negotiation.

Because they have no interest in beating the offer the Sox have on the table at the moment? If an agent tells you this is the offer to beat and you don't want to beat it, what would continued negotiations mean? Maybe if Harper goes somewhere else, they reengage.

Wait, why wouldn't this be believable. It is ENTIRELY possible that the Phillies were told the Sox offer and simply aren't prepared to beat that offer with the investment they want to make in Harper so they haven't been negotiating because they have no interest in beating that offer right now.

I don't think you read his post correctly - all he said was the Phillies haven't been negotiating with Manny for weeks.

But that's not what he said at all... he said the Phillies haven't negotiated with Manny for a couple weeks. That feels true, based on the pace of this and the silence. Honestly, outside of Heyman's absurd - mystery team has the high bid tweet which was probably told to him by Lozano - the White Sox have never been out of talks or negotiations. It seems the Sox are the leader in the clubhouse and Lozano wants MORE but is coming up empty.

Shack has already said he follows the news very closely and he knows some people who share information with him because he has developed a relationship with them due to his fanhood and his obsession with Sox news ha. I respect that and believe it - don't see why the guy would lie. Nothing to gain from it.

hasn't shack already been defended once here for having some knowledge of things? i don't see why we attack everyone who contributes - even if what they heard is misleading or untrue. We post absurd twitter rumors all day - might as well let him say his piece without being shot donwn.

Would seem the implications is we're the team offering the most money not the 2nd most but that they want more than both offers from someone if they can.

Ken seems to be out of the loop intentionally on this. Maybe he has seen all the animosity and doesnt want a part of spreading nonsense?

It feels this way to me - seems the Phillies think they're not going to beat the Sox out on Manny but can with Bryce.

Pretty sure he means he has an offer he could tolerate from the Sox so theres no chance he doesnt get close to what he wants but he might as well continue to wait and see if anyone beats it.

The Yankees don't want to pay manny. Not sure how many people have to say it before everyone understands. Manny and Harper are grasping at straws. No team will have someone get hurt and then say... well now I guess we'll spend 300 million we didnt plan on before.

Dont get caught up on the 7 number so much. No person who works with statistics, models and projections would ever give some arbitrary hard cut off point if it wasnt for the general public not understand stats. It makes it easier to explain but its not the "official" cut off point. It's the most likely cutoff point based on decades of data. 7 WAR was, roughly, the cut off point of the top 3 pitchers in the game over decades. The game has changed and come back a bit. As I said, consider the #1 projection to mean a pitcher that performs two standard deviations better than the mean. In that case, all the pitchers I name fall right of that r.

No. Sales 3 peak seasons put him at 6.8 which qualifies him as a one with peaks of 7+. Sale would qualify. Max would, as would kluber and kersh. No one else in baseball would qualify. 7 is an arbitrary cutoff point that statistics determined - throughout the history of the game - was where the top 3-4 sit over a large enough sample. The fact that innings have come backward a bit and overall SP WAR is down will change the bell curve in which the top 3-4 in baseball fall within. If you are two standard deviations from the mean, you are an ace - that is pretty much how they calculate that.