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What's funny is I'd spend a few minutes looking for this stretch among other 100 loss teams, but when I found the examples they would just be written off as negativity, and disregarded.

They can reasonably get to 66 wins? The White Sox have less than a 5% chance of winning 66 games this year. You can't "remove bad periods." Everyone looks better when you remove bad periods. A playoff contender next year? Oh my, I'm just going to bow out from this conversation. Have a good one.

I posted their ROS war projections, which are much higher than the White Sox. If they are AAA teams, then the Sox are AA. Do you know why you magically picked their last 34 games? Because before that stretch, they had lost 9 of 10 games, so it's not as pretty when you say they're 18-27 (40% win rate) in their last x amount of games. I don't have much tolerance for people who cherry pick start and end dates to look for the best stretch they can find. I also pointed out that bad teams have winning months and presented evidence of that. You should also stop talking about reading comprehension/intelligence and etc. I don't respond to posters, I respond to posts. You might want to give it a try one day. Instead of making things personal always, maybe try refuting the context of the post and not the poster.

People aren't negative for citing stats, evidence and facts. Toxic positivity is a thing. The fact that you state your expectations are low yet call people negative Nellys for having low expectations is also really odd.

The Twins have five starting pitchers who are better than every single starter the White Sox are throwing out there right now. Their ROS WAR projection is 51% better than the Sox (7.9 vs 11.9). The Sox are no where near as good as the twins on paper the ROS.

The Twins have 5 starting pitcher who are better than every starter the White Sox are currently pitching. The White Sox are projected, with their current group, to accumulate 7.9 WAR the rest of the season. That's the second worst in baseball ahead of the Rockies. If you read this place only, you'd think the Sox are surging towards the middle of the pack because of two weeks of baseball. Remarkable stuff. Some people have forgotten that even bad teams have good stretches and months. We're too busy comparing this team to the worst team in MLB history and screaming "progress!" Last May, the 61 win Rockies were 14-13. The 62 win Marlins were 14-13 in May. Neither of them went on to play close to 500 ball the rest of the way. Bad teams have winning months. It happens every single year to the worst teams in baseball. The White Sox were simply so bad last year that they didn't achieve that.

The White Sox are the worst team of every team you listed, yet you call two of them AAA teams. 😂

While they had to sell to cut payroll, I think the Twins have the best future rotation in the central - better than Detroit. I'm a big fan of Abel and Bradley's arms, and zebby has looked dominant. Add in Pablo and Ober getting healthy with Joe Ryan, and I'd take those six for the next three years over most. Consider that Festa and Woods-Richardson are 7-8 guys and the Twins are deep in the rotation. Edit: forgot Joe Ryan who they should move for bats.

Twins vetting Taj Bradley was a big one imo. He's got all the tools to be a #1 in this league.

How is 34 games a 1/3 of the season? 34 games is obviously a small sample. You think this is a .500 team? Holy moly.

Lol

Vargas specifically is achieving about where he was expected when the Dodgers traded him. Meaning his full season projections today are around where they were when the Dodgers decided he wasn't in their future plans and they'd seen enough. Zips, for example, had him at about a 1.5 WAR player then have him as so now.

I do have enough data to look at it but I've had a hard time getting someone to define post-hype prospect. The implications here would be that models move projections too soon, and weight that mlb performance too heavily, for a given subset of former prospects deemed post hype. I would be interested in diving into this but need some fixed parameters that aren't feels.

Yeah, I don't see it. In your example, 55fv guys that don't get extended run usually have a very good reason for it, since a majority are given long leashes, which led to their future projections to tank. I have significant doubts there's a market edge in a space where there's a ton of data out there. Once you get to the big leagues and put in 400-500+ AB's, the projections tighten -- the error bars don't get wider. Harder to find edges there but who knows. I don't want this to be an indictment on this deal, as I like it.

Keeping tauch is almost as egregious as not trading houser to me.

Wrist injuries scare me as they can zap power so that makes a lot of sense.

I'm actually surprised no other team viewed him as the deadline wildcard he could have been.

People have been citing it as a market inefficiency without actually supporting it with anything but feels. Still love this return as much opinions on Houser are pretty known.

Guy mashed between 20yr and 22. Wonder what's happened since. Also seemed like a few injuries.

Some article was recently bumped by some writer who called this trade the worst trade ever made by the Phillies. Obviously it was brought forward because Sanchez is a Cy Young candidate, but hilarious to see this come full circle.

Trades a win undoubtedly, I just found that angle coming up again funny.

The "former top prospect" angle strikes again.

To get ANYTHING for a guy you signed off the heap 2 months ago is a win.

Nestor Cortes traded, although I think Nestor is better than Houser.

It could be that the White Sox value Robert more than the league does and that has nothing to do with Roberts actual perceived value being low. Valuable players only get traded when another team agrees with the owning team on the given players value.