Look at Ray Ray Run

You're speaking in narratives. Players don't typically slump for years, those are usually just bad players. Development and value is linear in the first few years for players, meaning that you actually expect the players that belong to get better YoY, not worse. It doesn't mean bounce backs never happen, but you'd prefer more rounded players who add value in multiple ways as their bounce backs aren't reliant on a single skill.

Age being younger than 23 is also a weighted benefit for the above (not a hard requirement, but an age scale that's hard to overcome).

A lottery ticket is any prospect ranked outside of the top 200 aggregated, or any prospect that does not appear in MLB centered rankings (meaning League wide, not team centered). If you can't get top 100 guys, they should be acquiring as many of those as they possibly can with skills/abilities that they feel they can maximize. There's a LOT of noise with that group. There's much less noise with players who have shown you who they are.

This feels like the 10th time I've read this here now... please someone show me where there is value in "post hype players." Please even define the classification. I have no idea where we've gotten this thought that we "increase value" by acquiring players who have accrued data to the point of them being now classified as lesser players. The unknown and/or limited rep players are where variability is much higher and the margins for forecasting error are also much higher. That's where you should be playing. This is a team that should be acquiring lottery tickets with carry-skills or abilities that the team excels at maximizing in my opinion. The more data on a player, the more reliable and accurate your projections/forecasts should be. Vientos now has 265 games where he has accumulated 1.5 WAR. He's done that while being an atrocious defender, a below average runner and a slightly below average bat.

It's incredible how much better Sosa is at everything but chase rate.

Funny thing is Vientos isnt duplicating that either. Vientos has a xwOBA in the 15th percentile -- significantly worse than Robert. The only thing worse than his 12th percentile offensive run value added is his 8th percentile fielding grade. Vientos is slow, with a horrible defensive profile, a slow bat and horrible zone control numbers.

I guess I should pretend to like Vientos. Weird take.

I wouldnt view it as much of a win if they got him for free. Vientos stinks.

The Braves have 97 starters on the IL

If the White Sox were playing an injured player just to trade him, that would be a whole new level of low.

Can someone actually show me how this is a "mark deficiency?" Id rather keep Robert than trade him for Vientos.

The highest Vientos ever ranked was 92 and that was 6 years ago. I'm not sure id ever had considered him a big prospect - certainly not at Vargas level.

Think I have to mute the broadcast. One big benefit of never watching is not having to hear Schriffen. Hes rough.

Looks like a younger Seager in the field

Northern multi-sport kids development is just so different than most players imo. They're growing in professional baseball more than others, but they also have the athletic ability to adjust and adapt that most dont. Trout the loudest example but there are many.

Some guys just look like big leaguers when they get to the MLB. Colson one of those guys regardless of future struggles.

Idk about all, that one guy started the TLR fanclub and were gathering at the ball park.

No doubt. For me, Buehrle represents how baseball can be the any-mans game. Not the most skilled, not the most athletic, not the best build, and not even plus college stuff but he was intelligent, resilient, and technically brilliant. The mental component of baseball has always been different than every other sport, and understanding that different is almost as important as being dominant can go a long way. Mark was also just fun as hell. Someone else said it earlier, but this is entertainment and Mark will always be remembered on the south side and Mark was worth the price of admission way more than he wasn't. Also, Billy Pierce should absolutely be in and I don't want that to get lost. Billy and his family were family friends, and example #1 of "if he were a Yankee" because Billy >= Whitey although he never would have said it. Billy was a better guy than he was a player which is saying a lot.

Agree 100%.

Wont get him, but a Jett/Ewing package would be fun. I'd prefer Jett and a lesser prospect to gilbert and Ewing though.

Of guys with 250 PA's, Meidroth has the fourth lowest ISO. Guys who do that, don't usually survive for long. Nicky Lopez only guy that has been that low and gotten multiple opportunities.

Some great stuff with Monty that I agree with in the short term, but some guys just look like major leaguers and look to belong. PCA's success while leading baseball in chase also is a case I love because its unorthodox profile of success. Colson chase numbers have been pretty solid, so he could succeed running lower contact rates.

I think Smith probably has a career back in the pen if he cant sustain the innings. His stuff should play up more there and he has a great arm, so Im confident there. Taylor is the kind of guy that even if he struggles results wise, some teams will always bet on that arm. I was really high on him coming into this year and still love his arm, but really wish he wasnt reliever profiled. As for Meidroth, that type of defensive performance is so much noisier for me, so hard to expect it without seeing a much larger sample. But if he does sustain it for 300+ games, I think it would reset his floor and he'd have a career as a utility guy guaranteed for a while.

Need to see more from Vargas, and some consistency. Tiers for me: Tier One (guys I'm comfortable with being around in 5 years): Colson, Teel, Taylor and Smith Tier Two (guys that are more likely than not to be around in five years, but less likely as regulars): Vargas, Quero, Vasil Tier Three (they need to change something significant about their games to be in the league in five years): Meidroth, Baldwin, Sosa and Cannon Tier Four (not in my future as they exist today): Burke Meidroth for me is closer to Tier two than the other three in Tier three, but the lack of EV and authority with which he hits the ball needs to improve. Edit: forgot Sosa and added him. With Sosa I could see him having a nice year, but sustaining with the plate discipline profile is really hard.

I definitely get the small hall crowd, but it's a museum. Mark Buehrle is more than worthy of being enshrined. One of the most unique arms we've seen. A guy who very likely would not be drafted today, and certainly wouldnt have scouts attention. A guy who pitched quick in an era of slowness. He threw slow when everyone else was starting to fixate on velo. A guy who mastered the fringes in a way that got him off the fringe. A pitching doctor, who understood the mental side of the game better than most anyone who has stepped on a mound. My problem with the small hall crowd is they're typically fixated on peaks and "whod you want to start one game" but they're not arguing for someone like Jose Fernandez who should be in that argument of one game. Imo durability is a top 3 skill for a pitcher. Taking the ball every 5th day is job number one. Also, when youre asking for a guy to pitch one game, what are you looking for? A guy that can baffle and dominate a team by throwing a perfect game... with next best outcome being a no-no? Mark has done both those things so...