poppysox

JR is a business guy who looks at things from that perspective. He works closely with RH and KW on a daily basis like he would a VP in his real estate business. When something goes wrong he realizes what went into the decision and views it as a team mistake. I've always been unimpressed with KW but RH does a very good job IMO.

True...but there are some nice value pieces in the group as well.

We need to see the offseason in its entirety to judge this deal. Building up the BP while adding a quality SP seems like a reasonable area of improvement. Vaughn is a decision that none of us know how the FO wants to proceed. If we keep him he needs to play. He is probably our biggest trade chip if we go that route. Kimbrel is an unanswered work in progress. RH clearly thinks his market worth is superior to how this forum values his talent. The next few days should answer most of these questions. I'll wait to judge the end result.

I view RF as you do. That is why I thought they would shoot high at 2nd base. Of course, if they trade Vaughn in an SP trade...a right fielder would then need to be acquired.

It doesn't sound good when you say it like that.

Cano is 39 years old and hurts his back in November playing winter ball. McNeil is a very good name to work with but I wouldn't want to be tied to Cano.

As always depth will be important. Injuries will happen...and that's for sure. Figuring out RF, 2nd base, and SP is obvious no matter what our personal opinions of who and how might be. It's at least comforting to have a clear picture of what the needs are. For many years the question was where don't we need help.

Seems extreme.

You nailed the Tepera call IMO.

The Tepera move is without doubt a good one.

Prepare to be disemboweled.

No worries. We live in the era of the 4 inning start.

My "take" is that the FO knows more than I do. I have opinions like not wanting Machado at those numbers because IMO he would hamper what else we can do. As a fan I have opinions but I have no recourse but to hope the FO makes better choices than the fan base. This is a business that names someone Executive of The Year and fires him the next year. Literally, no one gets it right all the time.

He is an interesting guy but zeroes linking him to us. RH flies under the radar so you never know.

RH and I both agree with you.

When the decision was made not to offer a QO...many people thought it was a sign that his health wasn't the greatest. That might still be the case. It does appear now "in hindsight" that we could have turned him into a 2nd round pick.

There is probably a reason none of us are employed as GM's. Quite honestly...sometimes I would love to bring the Tampa FO over to the southside. It's not like I love it when RH trades a player I like in Madrigal for Kimbrel, etc. However, I will always defend the professional FO people. They have more info for making their decisions than the fan does. Most fans love second-guessing each and every move with 20/20 hindsight. Right now it looks like RH might have turned Rodon into a second-round pick. If instead Rodon accepts the QO and blows out his arm...he was right to not offer the QO. We all have our "opinions"...I'll leave it at that.

Hindsight is always 20/20.

So your answer to why the QO wasn't offered is RH is stupid. If he could have turned Rodon into something worthwhile we won't know. If Rodon breaks down after three starts we will know that RH didn't want to be defending why he pissed 18M down his leg when you all knew he was worthless. GM's have it hard to be ahead of the curve on these things...hindsight is always 20/20.

Well, you would need to ask RH what was actually on his mind. I am simply offering up a reason he didn't give up a QO. I simply don't jump to the FO is stupid answer you apparently fine so easy to offer up.

Why? They signed him last year at a reduced rate when no one else wanted him at the higher $4M number. As I said before, I think they did him a solid for not tying him down with a QO. If they think with his risky health baggage he is worth 15 or 16 why offer the QO?

Maybe...none of us has the info that the FO was working with. I can understand liking a player for some amount but not at a few million higher. That is what the FO did last year only with smaller dollars.

Agreed...Carlos will make the Giants look like geniuses or idiots. I of course will trust the FO to know his situation better than the other 29 clubs.

I think the FO gambled he would be available at less than 18M per year just like last year when they got a bargain. I was thinking that 2 years at 16M might get it done if the injury fears were really out there.

If Vaughn and Sheets are on the team they need to play someplace. Everyone can't be the DH. Vaughn/Sheets/Eloy will probably rotate through left, 1st, and DH while Vaugn and Sheets get some RF work. As others have said, if Vaughn is used in a big trade, then a right fielder is probably a sure thing.