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How'd you determine that when he hasn't been posted yet?

I don't think its relevant. A team doesn't stop acquiring prospects because it has a major league player.

You keep saying that but it doesn't make it so. You want everybody to believe because you saw him make an error in a training camp that everyone else, who rate his defense as above average, is wrong, and to disbelieve our own eyes. Sorry not buying it

I think that was the point. A tit for tat response.

If you signed an mlb free agent for that much you'd be practically guaranteed it. But I look at the Rays and see a team that just rolled their way to a pennant with a roster full of low risk acquisitions. It all comes down to whether the organization determines he's good enough or not. It would basically be a depth signing. I'd rather if the Sox are investing serious resources in a player it goes into the pitching staff where its actually needed. If they do that, then the best low risk options are what they had have to consider in right. Even if the Sox were willing to pay whatever it took to get Bauer and Springer, I'd still rather put that springer money into more pitching and go with Engel and maybe a guy like Sung-Bum if the Sox think he's mlb caliber. If the Sox could sign Bauer, Springer and more pitching, I'd still go with more pitching on top of that rather than invest in springer. Right field production just isnt the nexus of future success when the Sox already have a top three offense that is on the upswing either way

Every NFL staff ever is comprised of the family members of their superiors? That seems like a questionable assertion

Maybe you guys are overestimating what it would take to sign him. Based on previous KBO signings, probably something like 1.5 million posting fee and 3.5 million contract would be my guess. If the Sox thought he was good enough for at bare minimum a bench role, I don't see the problem. Sometimes you get rewarded for making a bit of a low risk stretch

Yeah by one game which Renteria blew with poor moves in a week the Sox with a roster full of rookies allowed fifty runs, which any RFer would have been unlikely to prevent. Sox are on the upswing regardless of who plays RF, provided the pitching staff is addressed adequately. The notion we need a game changer in RF just isn't accurate when we've got Anderson, Robert, Abreu, Jimenez, Grandal, Moncada, Madrigal and Vaughn, along with Engel and Garcia to plug into right if worse comes to worse. Sung-bam is either a mlb caliber player or he isn't. He's already a developed player, so there isnt a question of how he projects to develop. He is whatever he is. it would be up to scouting and LaRussa to decide if he's good enough to add to the roster. Its not like signing him would preclude making any other moves. The question would really be down to whether he was good enough to bump the last man on the bench from the roster not whether he was adequate as starting RFer anyway.

Sox had two major errors in the lineup this year and still went 35-25. Seems like at worst he'd make a solid fourth outfielder considering he can play centerfield and runs the bases well.

Duncan doesn't appear to have any experience relative to analytics. Seems highly questionable. I guess we won't have to worry about manager and analytics butting heads. The rest seems good though.

Nepotism?? What in the world are you talking about. Never mind. Didn't realize Duncan was Dave Duncan spawn

If that were the case then nobody would sign contracts prior to going to arbitration. Only a small minority of arb eligible players actually go to arbitration. Sox already bought arb years of numerous players on the roster, thus circumventing arb process.

Offering a player arbitration and tendering a contract offer are two different things. Sox can offer a contract prior to arbitration without restriction.

Both of those guys are well above average players though. That's the point. It's more sensible to spend 120 million on two guys who will each give 95% of the production one guy will give at 150 milliion. Particularly when you already have elite players to build around. People were crying about going cheap on Keuchel and he outproduced the guy they wanted to sign for what he and Grandal made combined.

You'd still have to tender him a contract as a free agent. i don't see the advantage of tendering him as a free agent over tendering him prior to the nontender deadline. If you're going to offer him 2.5 as a free agent, why not offer him 2.5 million now?

How does he come back at 2.5 million without tendering a contract??

Hmm. I'll go with eight. In that case he'd have to sign at 6/160+ to get into back that range presuming he gets something like 21.5 mil in arb. I guess he's got his work cut out for him.

What was the offer? If he returns to career norms next year, it would be as if 2020 never happened when he hits FA IMO. I mean we're talking about 34 games here.

I dont know where you get the idea a pitcher cant throw a full season the year following their recovery from TJS. Happens all the time. 2020 he came off the surgery, by '21 he'll have an extra ten months after recovery. Tommy John himself threw 200+ innings the first season back from surgery. Wainright started 32 games in first season back. Paul Byrd came back pitched over 200 innings and led the league in quality starts. Alex Cobb pitched 174 innings, Corbin came back midseason and made 16 starts to finish. Tim Hudson came back, threw 228 innings in 34 starts with the best season he had in years. None of those guys had the extra ten healthy months Rodon will have by start of next season. No reason he shouldn't be ready for a full workload if he's healthy. Obviously if he isn't offered a starting role then he can't take it either way.but if he got an offer to start for 1.5 million vs an offer to relieve at three million, it would make sense to take the starter role when the potential future earning is vastly higher with the lower immediate pay, particularly if he believes his chance at reestablishing himself is greater as a starter, which he clearly does.

I'm having trouble coming up with an instance where a player tanked to that degree going into his final arb year with a relatively high arb salary. There is the case of Bret Lawrie, who made 4.2 million in '16 then settled with Sox at 3.5. But his 2016 numbers were much closer to his career norms than Mazara.

The question was under the circumstance of having been non tendered. You don't think the sox are going to offer him arb do you?

Nothing???

I'd rather take my chances with Vaughn and put that Ozuna money into pitching. You can stack your lineup all day long but without the pitching to match you're still looking up at the elite teams. Sox offense already projects at elite level, the pitching is a couple steps behind. Look at those Detroit teams of eight to ten years ago or so. Lineup and starting rotation stacked but their bullpen was garbage. Piling on top of that lineup wouldnt have fixed that fatal flaw. You could spend the Ozuna money on signing Hendriks and Hand on presumably shorter term deals, and have an absolutely stacked bullpen to go along with already elite offense while maintaining financial flexibility three years down the road when you need to start worrying about resigning some of the eliteplayers we already have or rebolstering the rotation. Sign a starter to fill out the rotation now, and keep the generational level bat in Vaughn. With Vaughn we can realistically look 6-7 years down the road and project to still have at least Robert and Vaughn in their primes to build a lineup around. Not many teams can do that with that level of talent. Those two have HOFer ceilings. Vaughn could end up making Konerko look like Greg Walker. This is one of the most well rounded bats you're ever going to see.

Pretty sure the Mariners were thinking about that when they had him as center fielder on their 116 win team after he was the primary player received in the griffey trade who at the time of the trade was considered the Jordan of baseball.

Cameron was a better baseball player than Bo Jackson. Saying his ceiling is Junior or Bo is like saying either a Ferrari or a Fiero.