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Maybe the Sox will lose 20 in a row. What's the longest losing streak in Sox history? One would think we have a chance at it.

Good thing AJ hustled or that was a deuce play.

Welcome to third base the next 12 years, Mr. Morel. He is a starter for a decade. So now it's Viciedo to first base for sure. Paulie likely to be gone. Should be interesting next year. One thing is sure. Third belongs to Morel.

Get ready for the Buddy Bell era. Yuk.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 21, 2010 -> 10:57 PM) return of revolving doors? Im pretty sure if a change is made, KW will stick with who he picks QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Sep 21, 2010 -> 10:57 PM) Right, because Florida has such long lasting managers. 1.) No way. When managers lose, they get fired. Ozzie has been a winner here. 2.) Florida will fall in love with Ozzie Guillen. He is a rising star; already has one WS title before 50. Should get many more here, but too bad much of the fan base could not just accept the fact he knows what he's doing. What the team should do is no longer let him be GM and give him a slugging team for the Cell and lead it to 3-4 more WS titles and 8-9 playoff appearances in the next 20 years.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 21, 2010 -> 10:49 PM) Wasn't Ozzie the same manager who after his first ever game managing the Sox, he told the players to shake off the tough loss and go out and get drunk? Who cares? He didn't tell them to get drunk n drive. Hope you will be happy with our return to a revolving door of managers. Florida will be very happy with Ozzie Guillen. Our next politically correct manager should be nice n dull. s***, why not just name Buddy Bell?

That article in USA Today makes me think it's 60-40 Ozzie leaves for Florida. I could see him quitting at season's end. It's sad he can't be a White Sox lifer. Judging from Ozzie's quotes about "getting fired" all the time, he's still insecure about his status in Chicago. He probably does need a change of scenery which is pretty f***ing sad that we go from winning it all in 05, to driving the guy who finally got Chicago a WS title out of town. Five short years. It is sad. I mean LaRussa has had ups and downs in St. Louis and you never hear about it getting so bad they've driven him out of St. Louis. Let the revolving door of White Sox managers begin again. Very sad. Whether it is on Ozzie or somebody else, it's pretty apparent he personally feels the heat from reading his quotes. He'll find it very calm in Florida where nobody gives a s***. If we don't get Torre, this will be a massive FAIL.

Maybe. I still say a veteran like Thome can quietly use the Sox snub as motivation. Playing in the same division he hit the Sox as well as he did as a kid in Cleveland.

I've said AJ has been Mr. Double Play and he won't be back. I criticized Contreras. I'd need a whole roster of that team to comment further. Since the team is 11 out I'll even say Ozzie has ultimately failed this season. Team has been too dysfunctional. And that KW has failed big time in standing pat. Those are all 05 guys. Besides I was answering his point. He says I don't criticize anybody besides those two. He is wrong. I don't think Walker is great. I just think his presence doesn't really matter much either way in terms of our team's hitting. By all accounts he puts in the time big time and makes everything available for a hitter to improve. I think that's a stretch to suggest Thome a veteran got fixed by the Twins' hitting coach. Thome got revitalized cause a.) he's damn good. b.) he had some extra motivation this year provided by the Sox saying he wasn't good enough. I'm sure that motivation could carry the Twins to a WS title. Twins are good and they are the team of destiny this year. I'm sure a proud self motivated man like Thome has taken great personal delight in shoving it up the Sox's butts.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 21, 2010 -> 09:41 PM) I was referring to greg's overall attitude that as long as someone has a Sox jersey on they're infallible (with the exception of Mark Teahen and Manny). Or Linebrink. Or Pena. Or Juan Pierre. Or Putz when he's sucking (he's not criticism-free to me unlike the majority of the board) or Rios (though I let fathom do the Rios bashing since nobody else will say an ill word ever about Rios). Are those enough examples for you since you brought it up?

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Sep 21, 2010 -> 10:30 PM) Most managers don't make a lot of money, unless they're Torre or LaRussa. Ozzie made $1.1 mill in 2007, and I'm sure he's seen his yearly salary increase slightly each year, so he's probably making around $1.5 mill now a days from the Sox and would need a pay increase to go to Florida, which is simple economics (unless he values being close to Ozney more than money). Fredi Gonzalez, who was just fired this year, signed a 3 year deal for around $2 mill, which is under $700K per season. Do you really think the Marlins would want to almost triple the amount of money they are paying their manager? That's money they then can't spend on their first round pick, and they'd probably end up drafting a guy because he is signable. And either way, just because Soxtalk doesn't like Ozzie doesn't mean the people in charge hate him. There was hearsay earlier this year that suggested that Williams wanted to fire Ozzie but had that decision vetoed by Reinsdorf. Reinsdorf likes Ozzie. He won't want him to go anywhere else. Fair enough soxfan. I figure Florida actually would give Ozzie the same amount as he makes here. He'd be an important addition to the team considering his history down there. Again, I get desensetized on here as to anybody with the Sox thinking Ozzie is worth anything. I figure they'd welcome him leaving on his own. I mean according to this board, he's pretty horses***.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 21, 2010 -> 10:30 PM) According to greg775 as long as the hitting coach is employed by the White Sox that makes him automatically awesome. Comment on Badger's post, not mine. Please. You don't think he made great points?

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Sep 21, 2010 -> 12:26 PM) I'd say getting swept by the Twins and Tigers at home was the exclamation point on this season. KW took a chance with Manny, and it didn't pan out. The Sox were only 4.5 games out when he was acquired, but I don't think many of us thought that acquring Manny alone would push the team to the playoffs. Remember that the Sox had a 7 game winning streak right after he was acquired. Granted he didn't really do anything during that time except watch a couple game-winning home runs from the on-deck circle. Then the team just fell apart...mainly the starting pitching. 4.5 really is a lot of games when you are trying to catch Minnesota. I see this season as simply we erased the 9.5 game deficit and at that point we needed to start anew. Sox were granted a miraculous do-over at that point. By starting anew I mean again addressing some team needs. Sox stood pat. Sox floundered and now are in total freefall. By the time we fell 4.5 back, we were toast. The Twins had regained what they had lost.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Sep 21, 2010 -> 08:51 PM) It has nothing to do with babysitting the young men. Yes, we know they are adults. The issue is that LaRussa is a careless individual. If he isn't sober now, then based on his DUI there's no telling what he is capable of. Why the hell wouldn't he do it again? He obviously has no problem getting overserved and driving. He can't control his own life and you want him to manage young, impressionable men? I don't want to talk about this but I guess we HAVE to because the fact that he's like 70 years old isn't enough evidence to stop this discussion. LaRussa for manager....really???? Good Lord, how is that man the future of the WhiteSox? Please explain. I don't want LaRussa. How bout Torre. We need an elder statesman type next time around.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Sep 21, 2010 -> 09:53 PM) Thanks Greg, Contrary to popular belief a coach is only as good as his players. From all accounts you were hard working and tried to instill some better fundamentals into the Sox players. Sox offense did better than expected this year, so I guess its one of those, grass is always greener. Hopefully you stick around the organization in some capacity and the Sox are able to find a new hitting coach. As usual, amen Badger, the voice of reason in a fire everybody world.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Sep 21, 2010 -> 06:38 AM) Why would the Marlins offer him a job? They are a notoriously cheap organization looking to save a buck in any manner they can. To hire Ozzie, they'd have to either get permission from the White Sox or, similar to what the Rays did with Lou Piniella, "trade" for Ozzie Guillen. Do you really think the White Sox would "trade" Ozzie Guillen to the Marlins? What you are suggesting is absurd, and if Ozzie Guillen becomes the manager of the Marlins, it will be because he was fired. He can't just leave and go to the Marlins or he will be taken to court by the White Sox for breach of contract. Maybe it's from reading Soxtalk so much but my feeling was the Sox would let him go cause he's so worthless. I never even thought the Sox would want compensation. I figure after reading Soxtalk every day, they'd welcome somebody taking Ozzie off their hands and then they could get LaRussa or Torre. As far as money, don't all managers make about the same amount of loot? They can afford Ozzie.

The acquisition of Manny was the exclamation point to this rotten season, not to mention the season-ending losing streak.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Sep 21, 2010 -> 04:24 AM) Based on one article 2 months ago??? And the fact it makes sense. It's obvious the Marlins will offer Ozzie. Why wouldn't he take it? Much more peaceful down there where nobody cares bout baseball. And he'll get his NL ball all he wants.

QUOTE (mcgrad70 @ Sep 21, 2010 -> 05:52 AM) Third place here we come. This team may not win another game until spring training. How do you Ozziepologists like your boy now? I don't think he's to blame. This has been one of the saddest seasons ever. WTF was that 25-5 all about?? What a sad sack team. We are 11 out. Blowout city.

Based on the Trib article in July. It all makes too much sense.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 21, 2010 -> 01:04 AM) When Manny WAS Manny, he didn't need 3 weeks and there is no way KW would have claimed him if he thought Manny needed anything longer than a week. What's with this timing stuff? Excuses for Manny?

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Sep 21, 2010 -> 01:12 AM) A part of me is kinda interested to see us go into the kind of tailspin that somebody has to take a fall for. I really think Oz is gone after this season. It all makes too much sense. He's off to Florida where he can work in the NL. He'll love Florida and nobody cares about baseball there so he'll be much more calm. Sox will get LaRussa likely; Torre if they can offer him huge bucks and if LaRussa doesn't want to leave St. Looie.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Sep 20, 2010 -> 08:17 PM) I can't imagine any scenario that brings Torre here. Otherwise, how do many of us take Ozzie for granted? I don't think you want me to list all the reasons I think people take Ozzie for granted. But I can list them all if people want.

I think you guys take Ozzie for granted, but you will get your wish. In my mind, I think this is playing out it's 90-10 he's gone to Florida. So the question is, who does Jerry turn to for next season? Is it simply going to be Cora, or does he go for Torre? I would prefer Torre. No guarantees we'll win s***, but after the volatile Oz, we probably need to go calmer and then after he retires at 70, we can go back to Oz, hopefully with a successful 10 years of Torre under our belts. Problem is Jerry will really have to pay big bucks to get Torre. Huge bucks.

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Sep 20, 2010 -> 05:09 PM) I don't think Manny is done yet. He just have to get his timing back. You could tell he was pressing at the plate. I'm not saying that I'd want to definitely have him back next year (I don't think it would bother me all that much), but I believe that wherever he goes, he will mash again... as long as he can stay healthy. I don't understand why Manny gets this free pass about his "timing" not being there. I mean WTF? He's a veteran. And pressing at the plate? Again WTF. He's been at the plate many many pressure situations before. He's just not very good. He gets a big fat FAIL for his time in Chicago. Not to say he won't rock next year. Now that he's a former Sox I hope he does his rocking somewhere in the NL or AL West.