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Jon is right. This has been the plan of the FO. No need to switch course now. Sink or swim. Let the rebuild/tank results speak for themselves with the names mentioned. Free agency is the way to go.

I don't know about the entire fanbase but Jerry would certainly love to meet most members of this board who seem to be kind concerning how much they expect him to spend. It seems to me a popular take was to spend little to money during the tank years so he could spend more when we get good. That doesn't figure to happen. Personally I'd like to see him spend a lot of money on a proven manager. We've got some players to work with right now. A great manager might help us put something together. I'd think a lot of proven managers would want to work with some of the talented young players we have and try to mold them into a dynasty. Rick R is not exactly a superstar manager.

Of course we'll be more equipped in 2021 than 2020. "Wait til next year" is my motto for the Sox til they actually show me they are capable of finishing over .500 with this current manager and his staff and front office.

I thought he'd never leave the NL cause he likes to bat.

Guys, Collins passes the greg eye test. Those veterans of this board know I have a pretty good track record with my eye tests on players. A lot of you were burying Yoan 2 years ago whether you'll admit it or not. I never worried bout him. And Collins passes my eye test. Trade him at your own risk for Joc.

If we trade Collins for Joc we better be sure Collins isn't a superstar bat in the making.

My take is the Reds wanted Moose and paid to get him. Sox fans on here were talking about Moose being worth about 9 mill a year. Ditto Abreu. Sox wanted him and paid him. Jerry's budget is not my concern after all the money he's made on the team. He can sell at any time for some astronomical amount. So pay pay pay so we can win a pennant or two.

Looks like we are set at catcher. What's Collins' role gonna be now? Split time at 1B with Jose and both play 1B and DH? I respect McCann but was hoping it was Collins time. We might as well trade Collins for a reliever instead of making him wait many years to catch like we did Karko.

If we signed him four years at 16 mill a year this board would have exploded in anger. It's monopoly money folks, who cares? I hope Jerry spends til it hurts though I do realize after a year or two, many teams are trying to get rid of the free agents they paid for. Didn't the Cubs almost immediately want to get rid of Heyward after inking him?

Think of it realistically. He's already had two months off. Might as well start working out hard for spring training in Feb.

That's why I wish we had a top flight manager. When the heck are we going to be contenders if not this season? We just signed an elite catcher to go with stars Moncada, Tim Anderson, Abreu, Eloy, Madrigal, Robert. What are the Sox waiting for?? Get some pitching and contend NOW.

Sign Avi one year 8 million. We've got a zillion youngster candidates and some will be excellent in the future.

It's so hard to reach the state final in Illinois much less win it. Gotta win four games to get there! You gotta be bleeping me. Here's hoping St Rita wins the 5A title and St Laurence the Prep Bowl.

It kills me how anybody could utter a negative word about Abreu after he knocks in 130 RBI and hits 33 bombs. I mean what do these same people think of players who really reek like the Bears' QB?

Congrats Brian.. Warren's defense stat wise appears to be the best in state history. I was unable to watch the game as no way I was signing up for a month of ISHSAA games with automatic renewal for one game. It would be unfair of me to comment at all. I dont' even know if Rice came close to scoring. I will say it has to be tough to be a h.s. coach. The way Rice had been playing of late, scoring a lot of points with tough defense prolly had our coach thinking we could beat em straight up, especially since we beat 'em last year. Obviously Warren's defense is special. I wonder if we threw everything at them or just tried to beat em with our new QB's running ability and Shaw's running ability. I'll have to read the game stories now. But congrats Brian. Warren and LW East should be incredible. It's obvious they are the two best teams. Again I didn't watch the game so I'm not trying to be critical at all. I just know Warren has a great great defense and we got shut out. They've allowed 30 points all year or something.

Ron, let's say you are there on Opening Day or the second game. They introduce Abreu. Standing ovation. Do you boo him? Rip him so others can hear you sitting around you? I guarantee you'd get the weirdest looks from fans at the Cell, like "what is wrong with this guy? What's he got against Abreu?" This would be like back in the day some Cub fans booing Ernie Banks when he got older or Willie Mays. Or Harold Baines. At some point as a fan you should (in my world) just be happy the guy is with your team, forget about stuff like age and contracts and CHEER. Is it that hard to realize veterans like Jose help win pennants and are integral part of teams? I'm not sure what kind of roster you want? Or is it all the fact he chews? That seems a weird reason to despise him. Trust me in this day and age where mommy and daddy monitor their kids' every moves, they ain't letting their teenagers chew just cause Jose does. And parents go to all their kids' games, so they'd see if they snuck a chew.

Some of the "haters" simply do not care about the emotional aspect of sports. They don't care all the guys love Abreu; they don't care that he simply adores being a member of this team. They see his age and simply freak out (OK, they also think he's a clod defensively). Meanwhile, guys his age on other teams? Bring 'em in. The unknown player is sexy; Jose is not I guess. To the haters: Think of our team next year without Abreu: Who is the feel good/Sox lifer dying to win a pennant? Nobody. Let him be the face of the White Sox. I know the haters will counter that they are fine with Jose but for way way way less money. I say why feel that way? It's a fair contract. If he sucks for some reason, big deal. The Sox have saved SO MUCH money on everything but signing bonuses during the tank job. Why feel angst about Jose. Enjoy him. Good days allegedly are ahead, but I won't believe it til we sniff .500 and go from there. Give fans like me what we want ... give us some Jose, three years of Jose, baby! Don't fret; be happy. Jerry's bank account will be fine and this actually may make him demand we win the pennant sooner rather than later!

Tough crowd if you go by his traditional baseball stats. Didn't he lead the AL in RBIs? 33 homers is a lot in my world. This is an early Christmas for fans like me. I always posted I thought he'd get 2 years and a third year option and total deal worth about 40 million. Frankly I posted that to not get kicked off the board. Of course I hoped he'd get up to a 15 mill a year average. Let's face it. Most people against this deal are advanced stat people or baseball age-ists who think 32 is old (for somebody that's on the current team, not a sexy unknown on some other team). To be fair, these people also see him as a doofus, a butcher at first base defensively. We just signed a 31 year old catcher to a nice deal, although to be fair this is his age 31 season coming up as Grandal turned 31 in November. The way a fan like me looks at this: We just signed Jose Abreu, my current favorite player. I personally feel if u wanna win a WS it helps to have a guy who has been with the team a long time and WANTS IT BADLY. He mixes in well with the younger guys, a leader. What's more, I am not of the opinion he will suddenly turn into a .199 hitter with 17 homers, 42 RBIs in 550 at bats. I guess that COULD happen. I'm not worried about it. To me, this gives us a guy who bleeds White Sox colors, wants to win titles and just might do it. Throw everything together: this team is better off with him (yes at this salary) than without him. If you held a gun to my head would I say he's overpaid a bit? Yeah I guess. But in my world, who cares? Not my monopoly money and with Jerry spending for Jose and Grandal and more to come, there's pressure on the front office from Jerry finally I'm sure to complete the rebuild fast and win now/soon. Obviously I love everything about the signing of Jose: it's the right thing to do. Time to start winning, folks.

It was only me cause I thought he resembled Manny Sanguillen and Carlton Fisk in terms of height. I think Timmy's BA at that time wasn't near what it was last year and I said his stats would be excellent for a catcher. People were furious and it might have been why I got suspended 6 months. I forget but it mita been the Tim thing as people thought I was trolling rather than my brain working overtime. i have no take on today's trade, just hoping he's a stud for us. I do think it would be logical to trade McCann for a reliever now and let Collins learn from and back up Grandal.

I hope Chris Getz knows what he's doing. He was not a very good player, but I realize that means little. LaRussa was a lousy player, too. And many others. Lasorda was an OK pitcher.

What are the odds my Crusaders win? 40 percent? 20? GO BR. RICE!

Is Reilly's daughter a great bar? Go Br. Rice!!!

How bout simply signing Avi to a two year deal at 10 mill a season and get a trainer to work with him to keep his hammy healthy. You can't tell me it's all on the player. It's training as well. He'd be grateful I bet at the 10 mill (maybe overpaying by two mill a season) and help us win. He was a starter for a playoff team last year. We need some reliable relievers and 2 starters folks. Sign them.

It's the state association that ranked Minooka No. 1. Nice win for No. 24 seed Rice. Can we beat Warren in the semis or is Rice's run over? That would be very weird to play Marist in the state title game.

Amen. Don't understand hatred of guys who have done nothing to deserve hatred. He's gonna be 25 in February so I just wish they'd make him everyday catcher. Is he gonna have to wait forever?