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QUOTE (ron883 @ Oct 15, 2017 -> 12:37 AM) What intangibles does Avi bring? I don't value intangibles very much. I agree abreu is a great clubhouse leader. But I think you sell high on him and avi if you get the right offer. I'll back off on my opinion if we're told by somebody in the know that Avi is hated in the clubhouse and/or a jerk as I have no idea about his role in the clubhouse. As a fan I was thinking Avi busts his ass "trying" to get to balls and has improved his hitting a lot and apears to play with the zest that the Royals fan I was talking about was mentioning. In my opinion, Avi is a joyful player and busts his ass and that is a good trait for a team.

QUOTE (Tony @ Oct 14, 2017 -> 08:11 PM) Not many people are going to disagree with this greg, and if you actually read what people say and give it some thought instead of doing your typical "Oh gosh gee golly I can't believe the Sox would trade Jose freakin' Abreu" shtick, you'd at least understand that argument for a possible trade of Abreu and/or Garcia. Aside from ron and his own shtick, no one has undersold what Abreu and Avi accomplished in 2017. Did you read my post? I offered a story to back up my point and I said I understood why they might trade the two this winter. I also said I disagree with it because of their intangibles and tangibles. I consider that a good message board post. I feel honored so many of you rate all my posts. Hardly anybody else gets each post rated. Many on here don't respond at all to what I'm saying and they blast me for not responding to all points on other posts. Again I am honored so many of you comment on my posts but not what's in my posts. Just either say I'm a troll or live in my own little world. Very wild greg brings this out. Can't people just comment on what's IN my posts? I feel a lot of my points are worth discussion not just tossing aside saying "troll" or frankly worse. Are Abreu and Avi's intangibles worth anything or not?? I say yes and they'd be valuable on our next contender.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Oct 14, 2017 -> 08:22 PM) This really isn't how this works. All of these guys won't pan out. Ideally, your future outfield is Robert, Jimenez, and Rutherford with Collins, Sheets, Moncada, Anderson, and Burger on the infield. It won't work out that way though. The team is going to be below average again next year. It's a very important time though. I truly think that they have 2019 as their target year to "maybe" contend. They will be spending $$ on the 2018 free agent class. This next year will be about letting guys learn and grow and figuring out which young prospects will be on next good Sox team, which ones are bad, and which ones are potentially "blocked" or not in the plans and those guys can get traded for something that the Sox do need. I would expect the Sox to add multiple free agent relievers to flip at the deadline and also probably 2 starting pitchers. Rodon is a question mark. Shields will be in the rotation. Lopez, Giolito and Fulmer all could be as well with Kopech and Hansen coming at some point next season. They need to protect their young pitching though. Your position isn't odd. I disagree with it though and the Sox likely do too. They have decisions to make on Abreu and Avisail this offseason. A guy like Leury Garcia is about to get "expensive" too and they need to make a decision there as well. If I had to guess, the Sox trade Nate Jones, Avisail Garcia and Leury Garcia at some point in the next 12 months. Good post. Frankly I could see it go either way this offseason regarding trading Avi and Abreu. I personally would keep them for the rebuilt WS contenders but I definitely could see Hahn trading them for more prospects. I think the rebuild has been so popular they could be trade-happy so to speak. I will say this and this is something everybody on this board should consider. I had a big Royals fan/baseball sabes guy tell me the other day he thought the White Sox played "hard" and spirited (intangibles I know) the last six weeks and really seemed like they had great life. I'm telling you, Avi and Abreu play the game the right way and they would be PERFECT veterans for our WS contenders coming up. You need veterans and I know some of you will want the veterans to be from other teams cause the grass is always greener elsewhere. But Avi and Abreu provide intangibles, folks.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Oct 14, 2017 -> 07:56 PM) Greg. You are trolling and very badly I might add. Not only that but you are clearly showing you know nothing about the Sox prospects. But hey, keep ignoring the bolded to suit your victimized narrative so you can continue b****ing about nothing at all. Oh, just a guess but Ron trolled you pretty good and you fell for it. I thought Ron meant it so I responded in turn with my take.

QUOTE (ron883 @ Oct 14, 2017 -> 07:29 PM) Trade anybody with value. Abreu, anderson, avi, leury, yolmer. Ship them all out. Stockpile all the prospects you can. Some of you guys are nuts. Classic backup quarterback syndrome. Good luck ever winning in your scenario. So ideally ron wants a payroll of about 5 million dollars and all prospects. Literally all prospects. He doesn't even want TA on the team cause TA has been here a while and I guess in his mind is no longer a prospect but a proven player. Avi is still young enough to be considered a guy with 5 great years left, but he's got to go. With this strategy even if we acquired the best prospects ever we'd win about 50 games a year because there's no way we'd have enough success stories to make more than half of our roster playoff caliber. People call me a troll and insane. At least my way of building a team has been proven and actually gave the White Sox one WS title. And as much as people say the Cubs are the classic rebuild story they also added some expensive pieces to contribute to their success. Geez Ron.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Oct 14, 2017 -> 05:25 AM) How does someone who is so clearly just a casual baseball fan, find this forum? Saying you root for both teams, or "I just want Chicago to do well", is just code for "I'm not really a big baseball fan". Not saying you have to openly root against against the Cubs, but rooting for a rival does not make sense for hardcore fans. Not a bad post. Sometimes I think it's good for the city when a Chicago team of any kind wins it all, but I can't "approve" of a Cubs WS title. I do think now that they won one, it's not that big a deal any more. Of course if they win two in a row you are talking Hall of Fame status for Maddon and Theo immediately and immortality for anybody who played for both WS teams. QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Oct 14, 2017 -> 12:22 PM) Careful. The royals will get jealous if they hear you talking this way. Wouldn't want to upset your other favorite team. Cmon. I deserve credit for never jumping on that bandwagon. I survived their little run of greatness and went to 2 games in that span; both Sox games. I didn't jump on the bandwagon; was nowhere near their parade. Never once applauded their victories. I think they made a big mistake breaking up that bullpen. That bullpen wasn't finished. I think greg haters need to reassess. I told you before. I am not the enemy. I probably disagree with the board 70 percent of the time. The world is a better place when people disagree on issues. It teaches tolerance and respect. Sports are not life and death.

QUOTE (coco1997 @ Oct 14, 2017 -> 06:34 PM) No such thing. Do you at least agree with me that the trading has to stop at some point? When do you want to finally win?

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Oct 14, 2017 -> 02:11 PM) I’m not sure how anyone could read this statement and not confirm in their minds that Greg is a troll. And if somehow he’s not, my god is this world doomed if there are others like him. Sane/intelligent human beings simply don’t think this way. Why can't you just answer the question. I told you my brain could work differently but had a take.

Guys, we're in the midst of Cub dynasty. Cubs over the Dodgers to reach the WS. Book it. Don't know how many games yet.

Many of you despise religion but bear with me. I'm not trolling. My brain just can be weird. Is Trump the antichrist we read about in the Bible. Is he the one to end the world? Look, he singlehandedly is trying to punish the poor with Trumpcare. He is ready to bomb North Korea, the only person seemingly who wants to do so. Is he the predicted antichrist to bring about the end of the world?

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Oct 12, 2017 -> 03:19 PM) Please explain why you purposely ignored the bolded in your response to TheFutureIsNear. It's pretty clear you ignored that part and used the idea as an excuse to complain, again. The OP suggested NOT trading top pitching prospects to acquire the young 22 year old 3B in Franco. You do realize the Sox traded Gio Gonzalez not once but twice to bolster their hitting, right? Once for Thome and a second time for Swisher. Sometimes teams trade from a strength to bolster a weakness. Call the whaaaambulance. It seems to me we've acquired all the prospects we need.I may disagree with the rebuild but what's done is done. We have a projected team to win it all at some point. Trading is DONE. 3B - Burger/Davidson. SS-TA. 2B-Moncada. 1B-Abreu I hope or maybe Gillaspie or somebody. RF-Rutherford. CF-Robert. LF-Eloy C-Collins. Pitchers: We know the names. Get em ready and acquire some vets when it's time to win as well and get some arms for the pen and one veteran stud starter. Is my position that odd?

If Wade Davis closes this out Maddon is manager of the century.

Terrible ending to the season for the Indians. They were so hot in that one stretch this has to be considered a very classic fail. Even with their great skipper he has to feel really really low at this point.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Oct 12, 2017 -> 01:11 AM) I'll start it off with my suggestion...Maikel Franco from the Phillies. They need pitching and have some infield depth. Wouldn't mind throwing a couple of our pitching prospects at the Phillies if they want to unload Franco. Wouldn't include any of Gio, Lopez, Kopech, Cease, or Hanson though. Who are some young names you'd like to see us acquire for relatively cheap this off season? I hope we're not at the point where we want to trade the guys we got for the next WS team for other prospects. This madness has to stop. You take the guys we got and for better or worse they are the core of our next WS team. The trading is done unless you want to trade Avi and Abreu which I think is dumb. But the young guys we got in trades?? Geez we can't be talking about trading them. This is madness. At some point soon we need to win again. How many years in a row do you want to go sub .500?? 20-30 years in a perpetual rebuild? I repeat .. we do not trade the guys we've already traded for!!

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 11, 2017 -> 07:36 PM) People in power abuse people in all different ways. Sexually is probably worse, but I would imagine almost everyone has had some sort of "boss" at some point in their life who treated them like crap because they could. Affleck is more than likely a phony with his outrage. Weinstein is far from the only one in Hollywood. They are all over the place, and it has nothing to do with political party affiliation. The fact that Trump who grabs them by the p**** because he is a "star", and his buddies Ailes and O'Reilly , very fine people, wants to make this poitical is pretty hysterical. Democrats do it. Republicans do it. Independents do it. Interesting post. I just hope those who do this wind up in jail if they are guilty of crimes.

QUOTE (Quin @ Oct 11, 2017 -> 06:10 PM) Those legitimately are the acts of a petulant child, not a competitor. Cmon. We don't agree Chris Sale is a competitor? QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 11, 2017 -> 06:15 PM) He got thrown out of a game for fighting, went over the opposing teams lockerroom and offered to fight the whole team while pounding on the door like a madman. IIRC, it was only an ex-teammate who talked him into going back to his own lockerroom before he did something that would have really gotten him in trouble. Yeah I wasn't trying to condone his behavior here. Like I said Sale probably could have gotten arrested if he hit somebody in that Royals incident. I think people are being way too hard on Sale. He had to pay for the uniform incident by getting suspended and paying for the jerseys. The Royals incident thankfully for him proved to be nothing of substance except him embarrassing himself and the team. And the LaRoche thing is basically nothing. He sided with his buddy, not management. I mean the incidents are regrettable, but lots of players screw up, like the ones who beefed up using steroids and got suspended for it but were allowed to return to the game. I still think with a proper manager and front office people we could have contended with Sale and Q as the top two pieces of our rotation. I wonder if some of the Sale hate on here is simply people wanting to again back the front office for not trying to win divisions with Sale and Q leading the way instead choosing to rebuild. I am a big Sale fan, though I was disturbed whenever he refused to come out of games, giving Robin the stare.

Rose McGowan is being heroic in all this on Twitter. Ben Affleck tweeted some expression of horror at Weinstein and McGowan lashed out at Affleck saying he knew what Harvey was doing. This story is very sad and horrible; just like the Cosby story.

QUOTE (Quin @ Oct 11, 2017 -> 05:02 AM) - Cutting up jerseys to get his way - Tried to fight opposing teams - DrakeGate And there's more. I like Sale and appreciate what he did on the South Side, but it's easy to dislike him. Meanwhile Quintana pitches for the damn Cubs and you've got people pulling for him because he was essentially the heir to Mark Buehrle Since it's off season and I like Sale I'll respond further. ... - Cutting up jerseys to get his way (I like it. He warned the team he didn't want to pitch in those jerseys. It's been revealed he had concern for his health pitching in them. Maybe he should have just boxed them up and hid them rather than take the scissors to them though; He got punished for it. Many players have screwed up before and will again). - Tried to fight opposing teams (Geez that's nitpicking. He's a fierce competitor. Probably is his undoing but it's still not a bad trait; I guess he could have got arrested in KC for looking for a fight after the game in the KC locker room but whatever). - DrakeGate (Drake Gate forced playes to take sides. He took the LaRoche side of it; I like guys who will go against the front office once in a while). Kind of silly to make one of our best pitchers ever a total enemy on here.

QUOTE (fathom @ Oct 9, 2017 -> 11:33 PM) Makes me happy to know he lost two games. Must not have liked the playoff patch on his arm Somebody needs to make a list of players who are actually liked on this board besides prospects. Why the Sale venom?

Do you realize the Cubs are about to win 2 straight WS? After all those years of futility? If this happens, Theo and Maddon should be immediately inducted into the Hall. These are the Cubs glory years. Can you imagine if the Sox take over after the little Cub dynasty years? Chicago is the king of the sports world (not that I am embracing the Cubs). But with all these Blackhawks titles and the Jordan era not so long ago, the Cubs, Blackhawks, Bulls and White Sox will have a lot of world championships for this city.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Oct 7, 2017 -> 03:31 AM) 300k vs. 2 - 8 mm Thanks. Then we have no chance at all.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Oct 7, 2017 -> 02:14 AM) It's pretty much the whole neighborhood. We have Friday night get togethers every other week with a group of about 5-6 families. I did buy refreshments that week. Now that's what the good ol USA is all about. I love it. I toast your neighborhood.

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Oct 6, 2017 -> 10:45 PM) Otani doesn't appear to be in this for the money. If he was, he'd play in Japan for 2 more years and not be restricted by the international amateur free agent rules. Even if someone maxed out their pool and hadn't spent any money on international free agents to that point, Otani is still likely giving up close to $200 million to get here 2 years earlier. I hope the White Sox get in on him, figure out what it is that he's looking for, and offer it to him. He fits the rebuild timeline very well, and it would be interesting to see if he can succeed as a two-way player, and what the White Sox might do with that. But how much can the Sox offer him compared to others? I mean he will want to leave only so much $$ on the table to sign with the Sox. Getting this guy would be awesome.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Oct 6, 2017 -> 09:56 PM) I really should introduce you to my ex-wife... are you in the market for romance? Is that cause I don't give up easily in arguments?

QUOTE (ptatc @ Oct 6, 2017 -> 08:29 PM) Wow. I rarely lock my doors. I've actually gone to work and forgot to close my door. A neighbor called me at work and called me a dumbf**k and because he had to close my door. My wife wasn't too happy that day. Luckily, i had locked the dogs up that day. That's cool you have a neighbor looking out for you. I assume he was kidding with the "dumbf***" line. You must be good pals. Did u buy him a beer or cup of java for his protection?